Aragorn2002 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Armorgunner said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine Uppdated info, and map showing whats happening on the ground Looks like they want to split the country in two. Looks all in all pretty hopeless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 @Probus Is this "hot" enough for you? You brain dead see you next Tuesday. This sick thread should have been closed down straight away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BeondTheGrave said: Just thinking about it a little, operationally the Russian attack seems to be drawn straight out of the 1980s playbook as @The_Capt describes. Four or five major axis of advance along virtually the entire front. Each thrust alone would have the potential to unbalance and destroy the Ukrainian's field army and ability to resist. Take for example the Kharkov offensive which threatened yesterday to encircle the Ukrainian Donbass army. But even if that fails, strategic envelopment arms are also in motion to threaten an even deeper encirclement. And the sword of Damocles that hangs over all of this are the supposed thousands of reserves Russia has still yet to commit. Once success is achieved, the second echelon can move in and cement the victory. Even the use of VDV forces, while apparently mismanaged, harkens back to Soviet-style employment. I suppose its not all that shocking, has the US ever really 'moved past' AirLand battle in its conventional warfighting doctrine? I suspect new ideas are lipstick on the same pig. AirLand Battle with Cyber frosting and UAV sprinkles. SO it should be no shock that really Russia is just fighting a modern deep battle here, if it aint broke dont fix it. Just interesting, strange, and sad to see it play out live and in color. Even when you know its coming, what can you do to stop it? Indeed. I am afraid that despite the human tragedy my professional curiosity keeps getting the better of me. I think we will be unpacking this for years as conventional peer-on-peer fights are very rare in the wild in the modern era (let's hope they stay that way). Three biggest issues with Soviet doctrine of "military mass on multiple fronts, then reinforce success" was momentum, C2 and logistics. Momentum is in the wind but it looks like not a lot of urban combat so far so the Russians are keeping it moving. As to C2, reports from 2014 demonstrate that Russia appeared to have taken a more western approach to C2 but again we will be unpacking that for some time. Logistics has to be what is keeping the Russian commanders up at night right now. That is a really tough logistical problem with really dynamic lines of communication and very hungry lead sabre elements. That, and not a lot of reports of mass Ukrainian surrenders - I am sure it would be all over the internet if there were, but these are early days - so enveloped units are continuing to fight or de-aggregate into a hybrid warfare model. Neither of those two options are good for long lines of communication. Russia has to be pulling for a short sharp war here, the west is hoping for the opposite and the Ukrainians are caught in between. I am not sure how widespread the arming of civilians is right now but that is a sign the Ukrainians are considering digging in hard. Edited February 25, 2022 by The_Capt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Warts 'n' all said: @Probus Is this "hot" enough for you? You brain dead see you next Tuesday. This sick thread should have been closed down straight away. Is that you, Wart? Be honest, you had it coming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, The_Capt said: Logistics has to be what is keeping the Russian commanders up at night right now. That is a really tough logistical problem with really dynamic lines of communication and very hungry lead sabre elements. I don't think they are too worried about that. Both major Ukraininan cities are quite close to the border, and Russia has nearly total air superiority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Warts 'n' all said: @Probus Is this "hot" enough for you? You brain dead see you next Tuesday. This sick thread should have been closed down straight away. Off your meds again? Please don't post such pictures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) @Warts 'n' all@Aragorn2002 Gents please take it outside... 21 hours ago, BFCElvis said: Correct. Frankly, I think this is an important thread. So, I am loath to lock it. If people start going down that road I will just give them short vacations from posting, without prior warning, rather than lock it. Edited February 25, 2022 by Holien 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: I don't think they are too worried about that. Both major Ukraininan cities are quite close to the border, and Russia has nearly total air superiority. One of their main goals must be to close the borders asap, in order to prevent arms deliveries from abroad and the escape of people on the wishlist of the FSB. Edited February 25, 2022 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMS Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Cherson is taken - Ukrainian authorities 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chibot Mk IX Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, The_Capt said: Logistics has to be what is keeping the Russian commanders up at night right now. That is a really tough logistical problem with really dynamic lines of communication and very hungry lead sabre elements. That, and not a lot of reports of mass Ukrainian surrenders - I am sure it would be all over the internet if there were, but these are early days - so enveloped units are continuing to fight or de-aggregate into a hybrid warfare model. Neither of those two options are good for long lines of communication. I guess this problem is much more troublesome to a 2022 Russian military compare to a 1982 Soviet military. BTG solved the personal shortage issue, but at the cost of cut off logistic units. Whole armor recovery/repair units are gone, so a damaged tank could be a permanently lose. in 1980's the fuel truck , ammo truck accompany division's movement under the protection of a Co or a Bn. nowadays supply convoy need to be organized at Army level , but where to find those BTG, who is responsible to protect the supply convoy. Guess there are alot of question a staff officer have to ask. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Holien said: They don't have to retake it as be able to bring the right weapons to bear on the runway. The only way this is going to bring Putin down is with the deaths of Russian service personnel. I am truly saddened that we are hoping Ukraine will inflict the maximum damage on the Russian forces, yet those that put them in harms way will have hot meals and vodka in their dachas tonight, may hell truly exist and be visited upon the Dick"tator who has brought this upon the innocent. A dictator needs lots of followers, helpers and henchmen. It's not just Putin, it's the mentality of the biggest part of an entire nation. So yeah, maximum damage, let it come. That's the only way some people learn. Trully saddened and innocent, my backside. Probably time for a forced short vacation, but it's worth it. Edited February 25, 2022 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Putin is ****ing delusional. Also: Are they going to start military operations against Finland now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, DMS said: Cherson is taken - Ukrainian authorities The line at Kherson has been breached true, yet there is not confirmation neither that the region or the city that bears it name has fallen fully to russian invaders. Edited February 25, 2022 by CHEqTRO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Also people are talking as if Ukraine has already lost becasue there are Russians troops at Kyiv suburbs. Kyiv was always going to be reached by Russian forces with relative ease due to its position geograhically. Now they have to take it. Lets wait and see how the battle develops. It looks grim but is too early to say that all is lost. Edited February 25, 2022 by CHEqTRO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flibby Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 The last thing we need to do is to censor the images coming out of Ukraine. The fact is that people have become removed from the horror and the real suffering which war brings. Only by showing that horror can you ensure that people realise that it must be avoided where possible. You can guarantee that the orcs are not showing those images to their population and will be suppressing details of their casualties which seems to be mounting up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CHEqTRO said: Also people are talking as if Ukraine has already lost becasue there are Russians troops at Kyiv suburbs. Kyiv was always going to be reached by Russian forces with relative ease due to its position geograhically. Now they have to take it. Lets wait and see how the battle develops. It looks grim but is to early to say that all is lost. Agreed. Perhaps the world can do what Moscow usually does in this kind of situations: send in 'mercenaries'. Better than nothing. Edited February 25, 2022 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: Agreed. Perhaps the world can do what Moscow usually does in this kind of situations: send in 'mercenaries'. Better than nothing. Maybe someone will find a couple of Abrams on ebay and feels like a vacation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Lethaface said: Maybe someone will find a couple of Abrams on ebay and feels like a vacation. Indeed. Why do the good guys always have to play by the rules? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Flibby said: The last thing we need to do is to censor the images coming out of Ukraine. The fact is that people have become removed from the horror and the real suffering which war brings. Only by showing that horror can you ensure that people realise that it must be avoided where possible. You can guarantee that the orcs are not showing those images to their population and will be suppressing details of their casualties which seems to be mounting up. This is not the venue for those types of inflammatory images. I’m sure old Warty wants nothing more than to disrupt this thread and get it shut down. @BFCElvis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Probus said: This is not the venue for those types of inflammatory images. I’m sure old Warty wants nothing more than to disrupt this thread and get it shut down. @BFCElvis We all know old Warty's soft spot for Russia.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Two comercial vessels hit by the Russian army in addition to the turkish one yesterday. These ones seems Romanian/Moldavan Edit: An image of the soldiers who resisted russian attacks by themselves against all odds on Snake Island and gave their lives for it. A salute to these heroes. Edited February 25, 2022 by CHEqTRO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Like I said yesterday about sanctions, the germans will come around about applying heavy sanctions, specially now that Kyiv seems threatened. Edited February 25, 2022 by CHEqTRO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CHEqTRO said: Like I said yesterday about sanctions, the germans will come around about applying heavy sanctions, specially now that Kyiv seems threatened. Yesss! And let's make a sewer from that Nord Stream pipeline. Edited February 25, 2022 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On BBC -> Posted at 16:5616:56 Russia has lost momentum, US says A US defence official has said Russian forces have lost momentum in their invasion of Ukraine. According to the Reuters news agency the official said no Ukrainian population centres have been taken so far, but some Russian missiles have impacted residential areas. They added there are also indications of cyber attacks against the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant in the south of Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) According to WSJ, India has refused to condemn Russia and also Europe is prevaricating on implementing all the sanctions. Also, so far, energy seems to be excepted. A bad signal re international unity vs the invasion. "...many in China have dubbed Putin the Great...” Be interesting to watch State of The Union next Tuesday. Edited February 25, 2022 by Erwin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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