Bannon Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Since BS has been more or less retired, I'm hoping for another modern like NATO vs Russia or Korea 2025. I'd also like a Cold War expansion updating to the late 80's and other seasons especially Winter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 20 minutes ago, Bannon said: Since BS has been more or less retired, I'm hoping for another modern like NATO vs Russia or Korea 2025. I'd also like a Cold War expansion updating to the late 80's and other seasons especially Winter. +1 Except I hope it's not drone spam because that wouldnt be fun at all. China + NK VS USA, Japan, SK would be incredible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 hours ago, Artkin said: +1 Except I hope it's not drone spam because that wouldnt be fun at all. China + NK VS USA, Japan, SK would be incredible. Given what is happening in Ukraine today, I think any contemporary game would have to include drones to a greater degree than what is in BS. However, overwhelming drones and meat assaults would not be fun. +1 on your Asian suggestions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 You should not leave out Iran vs the US as well. Iran is well-positioned to shut off our oil tankers from the Gulf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 20 hours ago, Erwin said: You should not leave out Iran vs the US as well. Iran is well-positioned to shut off our oil tankers from the Gulf. I'm intrigued by this idea. Since CM is a land battle simulation, what are you envisioning for a US vs Iran game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Bannon said: I'm intrigued by this idea. Since CM is a land battle simulation, what are you envisioning for a US vs Iran game? Well for one, Marines and a lot of drones, besides regulars (and irregulars). Totally new drone system is prolly required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 21 minutes ago, Probus said: Well for one, Marines and a lot of drones, besides regulars (and irregulars). Totally new drone system is prolly required. Considering that the Marine Corp gave up their heavy armor in 2021, I suspect these battles would need to be coastal with heavy air support. And you're right about drones since I suspect any conflict of consequence will have them going forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurian52 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) On 4/3/2024 at 6:12 AM, Artkin said: +1 Except I hope it's not drone spam because that wouldnt be fun at all. I don't think it's possible to give modern warfare an honest portrayal without drone spam. Though I suppose it depends to a certain extent on how many drones are required to constitute a "spam". Based on the Russo-Ukraine war I'd think that one drone active at any given time in support of each platoon would be about the norm. Possibly going up to one per squad in the near future. So that would be 3 to 9 drones in a company sized engagement. 9 to 27 drones in a battalion sized engagement. That's just the quadcopters providing small-unit situational awareness though. Once you start accounting for loitering munitions the number would get higher, but at that point they're basically functioning like cheaper precision munitions. Edited April 4 by Centurian52 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 4 hours ago, Centurian52 said: So that would be 3 to 9 drones in a company sized engagement. 9 to 27 drones in a battalion sized engagement. So effectively you could simulate that by doing away with FoW. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithikial_AU Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/3/2024 at 12:46 AM, Casual_Insanity said: I meant to send this out yesterday, anyway my guess as to big announcement is that the next combat mission is going to be Combat Mission: Hello Kitty 40k. In the grim darkness of the future the is only rainbows and meows Given Warhammer has long been another hobby/interest of mine, I had to Google. The internet did not disappoint. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurian52 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Probus said: So effectively you could simulate that by doing away with FoW. That does seem the be the biggest unanticipated change in modern warfare, yes. And as a direct result of the omnipresence of drones. They aren't calling it "the transparent battlefield" for nothing. It seems to be a reversal of what happened at the end of the 19th century/beginning of the 20th century. At that time the adoption of dull uniforms, more dispersed formations which made greater use of cover and concealment, and smokeless powder firearms (which both extended firing ranges and reducing firing signatures) were all contributing to make it harder and harder to see the enemy and conduct effective reconnaissance. The result was the emergence of "the invisible battlefield". Edited April 5 by Centurian52 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurian52 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) Of course just deleting FoW wouldn't be entirely satisfactory. Overhead concealment still works on drones. And you can shoot down drones with small-arms fire, or disable them with EW, which may temporarily blind the enemy in a section of the battlefield (they would have a new drone up before too long, but it may buy you some breathing room). Part of the point of a new modern warfare game would be to try to figure out how you could actually operate on the modern battlefield, and part of that is figuring out how to counter drones. So the drones themselves would need to be included in the game. Edited April 5 by Centurian52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 It is likely that masses (thousands) of AI managed drones would be involved in an operation. One way to simulate masses of drones may be the way ROME TW simulated attacks by a mass of dogs or flaming pigs. ie: A mass of drones washes over the battlefield leaving a wasteland and routed units. (And we're not just talking over land. Subs could control a mass of drones for naval attacks.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Ash Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Play CM on 'basic training' skill level. Seriously though, to still be a battlefield simulator you cannot ignore the drone problem, how to incorporate this and still have a fun game I don't know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman216 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 The problem with simulating drones in X years is we are still very early in the cycle. Will thousands of small drones work or will they be readily countered by thousands of the opponent's small drones. Will larger armed drones work or will a small drone take them out (or make them so expensive to be very limited). Will ground defenses be improved now that drones are becoming more of a threat and if so what will that do? All guesses at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Combat Mission:Drone Wars 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 hours ago, Probus said: Combat Mission:Drone Wars While this may reflect a significant portion of future wars, on the surface it doesn’t sound fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert DuBalay Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 What about AI for pixel troopen that would (1) not run into mine fields when those have been clearly marked by engineers and (2) not run into a rolling artillery barrage (kind of stopping before) …. Overall just little smarter pixel trooper when it’s about their virtual life That too nobody expects it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) Yeah the schizophrenic running around when artillery drops needs to stop. It's fantasy. Edited April 7 by Artkin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) On 2/3/2024 at 3:08 AM, Battlefront.com said: I had hoped I could say a little more than that at this point, however after some internal discussion we decided now is not quite the right time. But I promised you something and so a promise is a promise, and here I am to make good on that as best I can. When will we have more to say? I think a couple of months will do the trick. Edited April 10 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Sorry, couldn't add my own text. Probably still too early, but you never know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornGinger Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) On 4/3/2024 at 2:50 PM, Bannon said: I'm hoping for another modern like ... I'd also like a Cold War expansion... and other seasons especially Winter. Make yourself a few scenarios in the editor and that will keep you busy for a while. And you might also learn how the game works "under the hood" as it's sometimes called. If you share your scenarios through the Scenario Depot some people in this forum may start praying for your wellbeing to stay forever as they will rely on your scenarios to make their life worth living. Edited April 11 by BornGinger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weapon2010 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 So the switch to CM2 ,BF through us a curve ball and went modern and no one expected that, so the switch to CM3 will be the same pattern? but maybe to a WW1 or Civil War setting ? I doubt it myself from a $ perspective , but these gents are unpredictable, remember one of the main reasons for the modern switch was to "re-charge their batteries". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halmbarte Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 42 minutes ago, weapon2010 said: So the switch to CM2 ,BF through us a curve ball and went modern and no one expected that, so the switch to CM3 will be the same pattern? but maybe to a WW1 or Civil War setting ? I doubt it myself from a $ perspective , but these gents are unpredictable, remember one of the main reasons for the modern switch was to "re-charge their batteries". Starship Troopers? The book, not the movie, obviously. We can already simulate a mob with small arms and no support weapons wandering aimlessly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 On 4/14/2024 at 10:42 AM, Halmbarte said: Starship Troopers? Or the long talked about Space Lobsters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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