Haiduk Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Donetsk citizens are writing the light and internet turned off in some districts. In Сrimea the night shift of workers is evacuating from "Titan" chemical plant in Armiansk near the isthmus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, DMS said: But it's time to stop side discussions and focus on events, so I stop here. Don't want this thread to be locked. You are a wise person. Let's all keep this in mind, as I see some people in the beginning stages of taking this thread South very quickly. For the most part, this thread was behaving itself. But in the last couple of hours it's started to fall apart. I think it'd be a good idea if we straightened this out before it ends up getting locked down. (DMS, I'm not saying that you've said anything wrong. I'm just using your quote because it's a good idea) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_zero Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 While there are lingering questions to what if anything was promised to Gorbachev regarding NATO expansion east after the collapse of the USSR, the west should not be surprised at what’s going on. NATO expansion east was bound to cause reaction by Russia and Ukraine’s geographical location and terrain makes it critical in the eyes of Russia. The timing of all this is no coincidence. Putin knows his main adversary the US is politically divided. He has elements as well as key political figures who are sympathetic to his cause. Now is a good a time as any to move before this advantage slips away. Putin may have a trump card to play to counter the economic sanctions. For the past few years Russia has been buying and stockpiling physical gold. With inflation running wild in the west due to out of control monetary policy stretching back to 2009 the price of gold has been holding steady and recently catching a bid. Like drugs, controlling sales of physical gold is hard to control, regardless of economic sanctions and controls in place. There will always be a buyer and in a day and age where fiat currencies are coming under question due to mis-management, metals become more desirable to possess. Then there is the question of US Federal Reserve policy. Inflation is running hot and to try and control it the Fed will have to raise rates. Problem is with the US deficit so high each basis point increase in rates will cause hundreds of billion in addition cost to the interest on debt already accrued. There are other potential perils in rate policy, but the bottom line is raising the US defense budget to meet growing threats may become problematical. Then there is China. In the past the West in particular the US has been adept at playing China and Russia against one another. That day has passed. The action of the US over the past few years has made it difficult if not impossible to play China and Russia off against one another. Now China and Russia view the US as the main adversary and are working together to bring a slow and prolonged end to US dominance. I have no idea hot the situation in the Ukraine will get, but I can see bad times all around. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Round 1 has to go to Putin I hate to say. I feel like we are in the calm before the storm. Russia is just doing pre-invasion SIGINT and OPINT. Slowly and methodically setting up Ukraine for an efficient dismembering invasion. Round 2 will go to Putin also if all we have are sanctions. I think the West needs to figure out a way to put some teeth in a response or you are just appeasing a bully. Some way to disrupt Russia’s plans. I can’t think of anything short of a military response. Can the west pull off a no fly zone using only stealth aircraft and drones? This would be a really good time for the USA to have an unmanned stealth fighter with long range Air-to-Air capability. I wonder if a black project already exists? Edited February 23, 2022 by Probus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Kremlin puppets Pushylin (DNR) and Pasechnik (LNR) officially appealed to Putin for military aid in "repelling of Ukrainian aggression". Several hours before Pushylin claimed Ukranian troops must withdrew from "DNR territory", but he wants that would be in peaceful way. "Leader" of LNR Pasechnik told the same two days before Edited February 23, 2022 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Kremlin puppets Pushylin (DNR) and Pasechnik (LNR) officially appealed to Putin for military aid in "repelling of Ukrainian aggression". Several hours before Pushylin claimed Ukranian troops must withdrew from "DNR territory", but he wants that would be in peaceful way. "Leader" of LNR Pasechnik told the same two days before Yeah, looking at all the information is coming out, It seems that either tonight or tomorrow the Russians will start the invasion. I wish you and your people the best and good luck. I wish our western leaders had been more decisive in order to stop the conflict or at least had helped more the Ukranian military. Europe will pay dearly for allowing this disaster. Godspeed. Слава Україні! Героям слава! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) NOTAM from Russia along border of Ukraine: Edited February 23, 2022 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Seems the invasion is about to start, if not already underway. Indications that Kalanchuk checkpoint on separation line with Crimea is under attack. NOTAM issued for all of Ukraine: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simcoe Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 hours ago, womble said: Ooo look. A sockpuppet. Dude seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just in case there were any doubts: Excerpts I have seen so far are mostly bat**** crazy nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsonic01 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Like the reply above, Putin just ordered military operation inside the Ukraine ground, which is effectively the declaration of the war. And all breaking news says full scale artillery barrage just begun. I've been enjoyed CMBS for long time, but never imagined I would see this would happen in real world. Too sad and too bad we are seeing this right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 The airspace in Ukraine is now completely empty, per Flightradar24: https://mobile.twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1496686611324497924?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^embeddedtimeline|twterm^profile%3Aflightradar24|twgr^eyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.twitter.com%2F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 https://youtu.be/H7ZbVufqW3s Which city is this? Live feed of city skyline being hit by some kind of munitions. I guess it’s a hot war now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Per Marco Rubio (Senate Intel committee): VDV seizing international airport in Kyiv, naval landings at Mariupol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Going for the jugular 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Dawn now, and the tanks are rolling: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpheart23 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Probably hot enough to postpone any announcements about aforementioned module for CMBS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSKER2142 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I am ashamed of my government. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic4 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Incredibly sad day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simcoe Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 My heart goes out to everyone in Ukraine. This is terrible. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Landings underway at Odessa, also. (These could all be rumors or intentional disinformation.) EDIT: and multiple reports that this is false. Edited February 24, 2022 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDork Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, HUSKER2142 said: I am ashamed of my government. We've all been there. One thing people need to remember is to never judge a whole people based off their country's leadership. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous_Jonze Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Horrible news. Thank you for the updates Haiduk and I hope you are somewhere safe! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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