rocketman Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: Why not just wait till it's released ? Genuinely puzzled why people do this. To put money in the hands of BFC as soon as possible so that they can assess how to pool resources for the next project. CM3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, rocketman said: To put money in the hands of BFC as soon as possible so that they can assess how to pool resources for the next project. CM3? Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 You absolutely have a choice. I do it to support BFC's cash flow. There aren't many companies I would trust to pre-order from, but after over 20 years, I have no worries about not getting the product or regretting having bought it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Vergeltungswaffe said: You absolutely have a choice. I do it to support BFC's cash flow. There aren't many companies I would trust to pre-order from, but after over 20 years, I have no worries about not getting the product or regretting having bought it. I don't have a problem with people preordering BFC games, because they are a company that provides honest free demos that show what the game actually plays like. I just don't really understand the reasons why anyone would preorder anyway, apart from basically charity like Rocketman said. However, I'm not a fan of preordering in general, since many games companies run something akin to "bait and switch" schemes where they hype up new games immensely, make people pre-order them, and then release something that's not at all what people were expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffelmann Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I have a rather trivial reason to pre-order: In principle i don't like online shopping therefore I always have to move internally to do so. This takes a while until I feel comfortable with it. And in the pre-order-time there is plenty of time for this...so I am able to download the game at once when it is out. And it is a module of a CM-game...so I can pretty much estimate what product I can expect. I would defenitley buy it. Wouldn't do this for every game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 If pre-order doesn't make sense for anyone, then don't do it. but why bother to comment on it here? I do it to show support for a small company that gives me hundreds of hours of historically-based wargaming entertainment and doesn't sell out and become World of Tanks or some other twitchy gamey thing -- the kind of games that make a lot of money. Now that I've been nice to them I demand they immediately release eastern front 1941-43. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 38 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: However, I'm not a fan of preordering in general, since many games companies run something akin to "bait and switch" schemes where they hype up new games immensely, make people pre-order them, and then release something that's not at all what people were expecting. Definitely true and the reason why I would only pre-order from a couple of companies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, danfrodo said: If pre-order doesn't make sense for anyone, then don't do it. but why bother to comment on it here? Curiosity. That's why I said "genuinely puzzled". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, danfrodo said: Now that I've been nice to them I demand they immediately release eastern front 1941-43. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba883XL Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 10 hours ago, rocketman said: To put money in the hands of BFC as soon as possible so that they can assess how to pool resources for the next project. CM3? The next project which has been announced is not CM3. I've never seen them mention CM3 anywhere. There still working and expanding on their series of games. In fact. Your question is pretty redundant as they keep updating the engine rather than release a new title. So we're on like cm4 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 10 hours ago, danfrodo said: Now that I've been nice to them I demand they immediately release eastern front 1941-43. 10 hours ago, Vergeltungswaffe said: What they said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Bubba883XL said: The next project which has been announced is not CM3. I've never seen them mention CM3 anywhere. There still working and expanding on their series of games. In fact. Your question is pretty redundant as they keep updating the engine rather than release a new title. So we're on like cm4 . I know that full well, just wishful thinking. However, my pet theory is that they are working on the next engine behind the scenes already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba883XL Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, rocketman said: I know that full well, just wishful thinking. However, my pet theory is that they are working on the next engine behind the scenes already. Reality's are made from dreams! So keep it up lol... I too wish for more stuff.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornGinger Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 3:46 PM, Bulletpoint said: games companies run something akin to "bait and switch" schemes where they hype up new games immensely, make people pre-order them, and then release something that's not at all what people were expecting. Rome Total War 2 for example? I looked forward to that game because I had good memories of Rome Total War. But I decided to wait and then never bought the game because of all the needs of patches which apparently didn't manage to make the game as good as they had promised. It was fun to read all the complaints on different forums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I have no interest in either, but apparently Cyberpunk 2077 has been a huge disappointment to it's fans and Star Citizen took in millions several years ago and still isn't anything but a shell of an alpha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vergeltungswaffe said: apparently Cyberpunk 2077 has been a huge disappointment to it's fans That would be an understatement. POS! Edited February 3, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 11 hours ago, BornGinger said: Rome Total War 2 for example? I looked forward to that game because I had good memories of Rome Total War. But I decided to wait and then never bought the game because of all the needs of patches which apparently didn't manage to make the game as good as they had promised. It was fun to read all the complaints on different forums. Exactly - I had the exact same experience. Went from being a big TW fan to never buying one of their games again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) The only reason why I'm happy with pre-ordering (and did pre-order) is that it's a sign that the situation is under control and the game is coming. Less happy with the fact that it can take a couple of months more, but let's not get into that again.... Edited February 3, 2021 by Aragorn2002 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 11 hours ago, BornGinger said: Rome Total War 2 for example? Totally (pun intended) agree. I liked the original, plus some mods, so I did buy the second one. It's still sitting on my PC, hardly played. I read somewhere that a lot of games, particularly those bought on Steam, are like that however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Vacilllator said: Totally (pun intended) agree. I liked the original, plus some mods, so I did buy the second one. It's still sitting on my PC, hardly played. I read somewhere that a lot of games, particularly those bought on Steam, are like that however... The problem is not Steam, but preordering itself. It lets games companies make more money by hype than by delivering a good game. Lots of people vowed never to buy a CA game again, but there's a sucker born every minute, and the franchise is going strong. Edited February 3, 2021 by Bulletpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: The problem is not Steam, but preordering itself. It lets games companies make more money by hype than by delivering a good game. Lots of people woved never to buy a CA game again, but there's a sucker born every minute, and the franchise is going strong. Not just pre-ordered though, a lot are bought in sales and in bundles and never even opened. A quick google tells me the figure was 37% of games bought on Steam were never played as of 2014. Analysis by sales value will of course tell a different story. None of this will apply to BFC pre-orders of course, as long as we've set aside at least a few months of our lives and nothing gets in the way . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Vacilllator said: Not just pre-ordered though, a lot are bought in sales and in bundles and never even opened. A quick google tells me the figure was 37% of games bought on Steam were never played as of 2014. That's true, but that's another story. I don't think there's anything wrong with having good games on sale. And nothing wrong with people buying games they never play... it doesn't consume extra resources for packaging and shipping, so Mother Earth doesn't mind. Of course it's a waste of a little money for the people buying something they won't use, but it doesn't give game companies an incentive to design poor quality games. Pre-ordering does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Bulletpoint said: Of course it's a waste of a little money for the people buying something they won't use, but it doesn't give game companies an incentive to design poor quality games. Pre-ordering does. I take your point. I have pre-ordered F&R though and am quite happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Vacilllator said: I take your point. I have pre-ordered F&R though and am quite happy with that. I have no problems with BFC pre-orders... I'm sure the game will appear and be similar quality to the other games they have made. There's no huge BFC hype machine churning away publishing manipulated screenshots and bribing influencers to rave about their upcoming game on youtube. So it's obviously not a bait and switch in BFC's case. But personally I don't pre-order, because I think "cash on delivery" is a good principle in general. Edited February 3, 2021 by Bulletpoint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Stuff Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I make a pre order because a fear of "a possible out of stock" if I decide to order it later ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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