Sgt.Squarehead Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 8 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said: Just release it and fix it later. Works for fighters & aircraft carriers, allegedly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Warts 'n' all said: 10 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said: Just release it and fix it later. That could open a whole new can of worms. As Martin Luther almost said. I am hoping he was joking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 hours ago, IanL said: I am hoping he was joking. Me too. Although being a dead puritan I'm not the best judge of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Well, if there are still bugs to fix by now, there's certainly very little to laugh about.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herr_oberst Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 sigh If you work in software development, you know there are ALWAYS software bugs present. Yeah, the 'development guidelines' want 100% coverage of testing cases, but as software complexity grows, the 100% mark grows what feels like exponentially -- generally no-one can afford to test all the possible permutations. It all depends on the risk associated with an error. For a game like CM, the bar can be much lower than, say, flight control software for a commercial airplane. Pixeltruppen meeting an untimely demise is vastly different than real world results. Some errors you know about prior to release, some you don't until it is released "into the wild". People do unexpected things. I've been releasing software in one capacity or another since 1986, and nothing is ever perfect. You always strive to eliminate anything known to cause issues for X percent of cases. The question is always, "What is X? And where does a particular issue get prioritized? Above or below the line?" IMHO, BFC does a good job of eliminating egregious issues and issues enjoyable, playable software. Patches follow to improve what has been released. I say go for it. I'd rather be playing than waiting forever... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, herr_oberst said: sigh If you work in software development, you know there are ALWAYS software bugs present. Yeah, the 'development guidelines' want 100% coverage of testing cases, but as software complexity grows, the 100% mark grows what feels like exponentially -- generally no-one can afford to test all the possible permutations. It all depends on the risk associated with an error. For a game like CM, the bar can be much lower than, say, flight control software for a commercial airplane. Pixeltruppen meeting an untimely demise is vastly different than real world results. Some errors you know about prior to release, some you don't until it is released "into the wild". People do unexpected things. I've been releasing software in one capacity or another since 1986, and nothing is ever perfect. You always strive to eliminate anything known to cause issues for X percent of cases. The question is always, "What is X? And where does a particular issue get prioritized? Above or below the line?" IMHO, BFC does a good job of eliminating egregious issues and issues enjoyable, playable software. Patches follow to improve what has been released. I say go for it. I'd rather be playing than waiting forever... Well said. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradave Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 20 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said: Well, if there are still bugs to fix by now, there's certainly very little to laugh about.... Found one yesterday. Pretty small one, but annoying just the same. Although actually it was pretty funny, other than the obvious issue of having a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradave Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 12:40 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said: Works for fighters & aircraft carriers, allegedly! In my real life job I design and test the propulsion plants for nuclear submarines. We don't follow those guidelines. Because, ..., well, submarines. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 October 2019 has always been the original release date right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xorg_Xalargsky Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 13 hours ago, MeatEtr said: October 2019 has always been the original release date right? The window has not closed. Can you feel it? There is still a small cold draft passing through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weapon2010 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 i guess it will be October. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Rubs sleep from my Limey eyes and peers at calendar. I think you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infierno Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) On 9/30/2019 at 4:45 PM, weapon2010 said: i guess it will be October. Would be nice to find out before Nov. 1st if the module is going to slip again. At this point I'm working under the impression that it's a "when it's done" kind of thing with no definitive release date. No problem for me personally since I'm sure the module will be high quality whenever it does arrive, but it's a bit annoying to put down money for a preorder with a release "estimate" that just rolls along with the months. Might as well make it clear on the store page that the release estimate is just 2019. Edited October 2, 2019 by infierno 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIATpunk Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 i think the concept of a pre release AAR is excellent as a lot of scrutiny goes into it and catches those final show stoppers prior to release. As The Goodies say, 'Get it right!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Last thing I pre-ordered was Combat Rock by The Clash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, infierno said: Would be nice to find out before Nov. 1st if the module is going to slip again. At this point I'm working under the impression that it's a "when it's done" kind of thing with no definitive release date. No problem for me personally since I'm sure the module will be high quality whenever it does arrive, but it's a bit annoying to put down money for a preorder with a release "estimate" that just rolls along with the months. Might as well make it clear on the store page that the release estimate is just 2019. Don't get me started. Anyway you've deserved your first point with that remark. Apart from that I dread to think what this new delay means for the CMRT module. Fortunately I have other things on my hands at the moment, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: Last thing I pre-ordered was Combat Rock by The Clash. That was a solid record though -- why stop pre-ordering after that? Never figured them for being Royalist. Last thing I pre-ordered was Rome to Victory, xD. 8 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said: Apart from that I dread to think what this new delay means for the CMRT module. Fortunately I have other things on my hands at the moment, but still. I'm guessing the CMRT module will come out in 2020. I hope a CMBS module will come out before the heat death of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, DerKommissar said: why stop pre-ordering after that? I pre-ordered it for two reasons. One to help it get to No1 in UK albums charts. And two, cuz the shop owner promised me the wall display. I've never been that fussed about buying anything that may or may not get in the charts since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umlaut Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: I've never been that fussed about buying anything that may or may not get in the charts since. Well, of course not. It was the only band that mattered, remember? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, umlaut said: Well, of course not. It was the only band that mattered, remember? Hahaha. I've never been quite sure who came up with that slogan. Bernie Rhodes, Caroline Coon, or Kozmo Vinyl.? And for a short time they were vital. Of course, the only British band who ever really mattered was The Ken Colyer Jazzmen. But, that is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, Warts 'n' all said: Hahaha. I've never been quite sure who came up with that slogan. Bernie Rhodes, Caroline Coon, or Kozmo Vinyl.? And for a short time they were vital. Of course, the only British band who ever really mattered was The Ken Colyer Jazzmen. But, that is another story. They were the only band that mattered. The bummer with Combat Rock is that it was my least favorite (I don't even count Cut the Crap as a Clash album). Give'em Enough Rope.......that's the one that I probably still play once a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocice Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 11 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: I pre-ordered Wordor two reasons. One to help it get? to No1 in UK albums charts. And two, cuz the shop owner promised me the wall display. I've never been that fussed about buying anything that may or may not get in the charts since. So, pray tell, did they shop owner stick to his word? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 3 hours ago, chocice said: So, pray tell, did they shop owner stick to his word? He did indeed. In the meantime I hope the people who have pre-ordered Rome to Victory will be enjoying it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 15 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: In the meantime I hope the people who have pre-ordered Rome to Victory will be enjoying it soon. This is the first time I have ever pre-ordered a Battlefront product, because when I saw the module on the store page, I had assumed it had been released. Whoops. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIATpunk Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Thank you for supporting the team and not complaining. Much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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