Battlefront.com Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lukevan16 said: I suppose you’re right, although from the looks of it they already have BDU in for the later scenarios. Sorta. The US Army had two camouflage uniforms in the later part of the Cold War game's timeframe. The precursor to the M81 BDUm which is commonly referred to as the "RDF" or "Transitional" uniform, started large scale introduction in 1978/1979. The M81 BDU is a simplified version of it and started showing up in large amounts in 1981. There are significant differences in construction between the two, but those are not noticeable in CM terms. The more noticeable difference is the earlier Transitional uniforms used surplus Green or Brown Dominate ERDL cloth left over from the Vietnam war. Later versions used a cloth that would go on to become "Woodland" pattern used in M81. For CM's purposes we do not distinguish between the two uniforms. Late period US forces have a choice between OD or camo. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffelmann Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: Ah, camo uniform discussions... I really like those Soviets first introduced a standard camouflage field uniform (TTsKO) in 1981, but it was not in wide use for several more years. Outside of Cold War's scope. The US 6 color desert ("chocolate chip") uniform was developed in the mid to late 1970s as part of the post-Vietnam shift. The desert uniform was not generally issued until the early 1980s and even then it was in short supply. Because few US forces were deployed to desert environments there wasn't much reason to produce many. In fact, when Desert Shield started up many units had to go to military surplus shops to purchase commercially made versions of the uniform as sufficient stocks were unavailable in military stores. Same thing happened when OIF started up. Which is to say neither uniform is included with Cold War. Ok, no camos for the soviets...how about clothes for the cold months (december)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, waffelmann said: Ok, no camos for the soviets...how about clothes for the cold months (december)? Winter is not included. It was just too much extra work to do all the winter textures and uniforms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 For those interested in the RDF uniform, here's a very good article I just found: https://www.gear-illustration.com/2020/06/14/story-about-the-rdf-combat-uniform/ Though you should ignore then fully badged 6 color. The jacket is legit, the badging was applied (incorrectly) by a collector. How do I know? The picture in the article is mine as is the jacket I chuckle when I saw that. Lots of pictures of my bathroom door floating around the Internet, that's for sure. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffelmann Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Understandable, but a shame ... but I'm really looking forward to this game. Great thing!!! Anything else interesting about the uniforms, if we already have the specialist here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffelmann Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 In game.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Stuff Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I never see the Tigers strip and didin t know this exist...thanks Steve, some of us will need these infos to making mods ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukevan16 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: Sorta. The US Army had two camouflage uniforms in the later part of the Cold War game's timeframe. The precursor to the M81 BDUm which is commonly referred to as the "RDF" or "Transitional" uniform, started large scale introduction in 1978/1979. The M81 BDU is a simplified version of it and started showing up in large amounts in 1981. There are significant differences in construction between the two, but those are not noticeable in CM terms. The more noticeable difference is the earlier Transitional uniforms used surplus Green or Brown Dominate ERDL cloth left over from the Vietnam war. Later versions used a cloth that would go on to become "Woodland" pattern used in M81. For CM's purposes we do not distinguish between the two uniforms. Late period US forces have a choice between OD or camo. Steve Very interesting, as you can probably tell I’m far from an expert when it comes to camouflage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: Ah, camo uniform discussions... I really like those Soviets first introduced a standard camouflage field uniform (TTsKO) in 1981, but it was not in wide use for several more years. Outside of Cold War's scope. The US 6 color desert ("chocolate chip") uniform was developed in the mid to late 1970s as part of the post-Vietnam shift. The desert uniform was not generally issued until the early 1980s and even then it was in short supply. Because few US forces were deployed to desert environments there wasn't much reason to produce many. In fact, when Desert Shield started up many units had to go to military surplus shops to purchase commercially made versions of the uniform as sufficient stocks were unavailable in military stores. Same thing happened when OIF started up. Which is to say neither uniform is included with Cold War. Steve Steve @Battlefront.com, what about this camo overall that shows up a bunch in the Zapad-81 films? (KZS oversuit maybe?) Edited February 18, 2021 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Lukevan16 said: Seeing as this game seems to indulge our desires for desert combat, I’m hoping that we get some cool desert infantry camo for the US troepies. If it’s not in already I hope they add it. Should be easy enough to mod. In fact, I do seem to fondly recall a 'Chocolate Chip Desert' uniform mod for Shock Force, made by a rather notable member of the community. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: For those interested in the RDF uniform, here's a very good article I just found: https://www.gear-illustration.com/2020/06/14/story-about-the-rdf-combat-uniform/ Though you should ignore then fully badged 6 color. The jacket is legit, the badging was applied (incorrectly) by a collector. How do I know? The picture in the article is mine as is the jacket I chuckle when I saw that. Lots of pictures of my bathroom door floating around the Internet, that's for sure. Steve That’s really cool, I didn’t know you use bathrooms! In all seriousness that is a really cool write up, and the uniforms look great too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 44 minutes ago, IICptMillerII said: That’s really cool, I didn’t know you use bathrooms! In all seriousness that is a really cool write up, and the uniforms look great too. He doesn't but the spouse insisted they have one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Edited February 19, 2021 by mjkerner 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, mjkerner said: Looks good! I think there are gonna be a few day one mods on release. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I have dozens of camo schemes for all the CMSF2 pixeltroops. Made for an ImagiNation sort of thing in an African setting. Still will need the bmps from the game, so not quite Day One from me, but of course any modder/beta tester might. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffelmann Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, mjkerner said: I have dozens of camo schemes for all the CMSF2 pixeltroops Obviously you are like a dragon sleeping on its treasures! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Backer Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Edited February 19, 2021 by Bud Backer 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/18/2021 at 5:56 PM, akd said: Steve @Battlefront.com, what about this camo overall that shows up a bunch in the Zapad-81 films? (KZS oversuit maybe? Oh yeah, those were around during this time. It's the last version of a series of coveralls going back to the 1940s. IIRC I have one example of each type. Beautiful patterns, but not relevant. For the most part coveralls were used by specialized forces, such as Spetsnaz, airborne, snipers, sappers, recon, etc. That tradition dated back to WW2. Definitely not general issue. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rice Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 @Battlefront.com Steve, what are you most excited for players to experience in this new title? (i.e. a specific piece of TO&E, a specific scenario, campaigns, etc) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 There is only one correct answer: 152mm canister. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 18 hours ago, akd said: 152mm canister. OMFG! I had no idea they made a cannister round! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: OMFG! I had no idea they made a cannister round! Edited February 20, 2021 by akd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Sorry dude, thread confusion on my part, I thought you meant Soviet & hoped it was for the ISU-152 in WWII. I knew about the US round, I'm most used to hearing it referred to as a 'Beehive' round.....I looked for the Sheridan and didn't see it, so I'm assuming this will only be coming from the M60A2 Starship? Edited February 20, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Beehive was time-fused canister, I believe. The US 152mm gun/missile launcher seems to have only used simple canister. Edited February 20, 2021 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) I'll take your word for it, but the term seems to have been quite broadly used for whatever it was that the Sheridan fired. Edited February 20, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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