Roach Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Roach, I stand corrected. I had snapped up this story at the Euromilitaire modeling show years ago by a reenactor which otherwise seemingly knew his stuff. Still strange that the head costume designer can make such decisions when every DVD "Making of" usually tells the viewer how painfully accurate history is recreated... Example: "The Patriot" where one gets told how every button of the gaiters was recreated, on the other hand the lead figures which were melted for bullets by Mel Gibson were form the 1850s not from the Independence War period. And then they clothe the British dragoons in red instead of green... And don't get me started on "Flyboys" with the all red triplanes ... But, sorry for stating false and derailing from the topic. Hey, no need for apologies. In the past I've read a few quotes saying much the same thing but my personal recollection is that in the greater scheme of things we had very few re-enactors through the wardrobe doors - although I think some of the the few we did have might have bigged their roles up somewhat! And no, I don't mean to dis re-enactors. But the reality is most re-enactors can't afford to take a three month sabbatical from work to 'star' in a movie - just the odd day here and there which is my recollection. Anyway, my department's own theory on the haircuts was that the costume designer had so few choices on what could be designed what with uniforms being, well, uniform, she had to impose herself where she could! But then again, that's probably just the idle meanderings of an idle crew between takes! As for the whole accuracy thing, the sage words we were told were "we're making a movie, not a documentary..." Ah well. Right then, now it's my turn to be quiet and stop derailing the topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Shaw Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Perhaps he just means a map overlay/underlay for the map editor, like in Empires of Steel, or Mapping Mission for the CMx1 games. It certainly makes it easier and more precise to reproduce the terrain features such as roads correctly, rather than alt-tabbing back and forth or by some other method. That still leaves you with elevations, building manipulation and so on, but it's certainly a time saver if you try to be accurate. Empires of Steel: (Another time saver is to get drunk and say good bye to accuracy, that's how all Ker Dessel* scenarios are born.) *Ker Dessel - when it's called a setup for a reason!Nonsense, we at Ker Dessel* were NEVER drunk ... I'll grant your point on the accuracy. We created our scenarios in the cold light of day, with only a lukewarm cup of coffee and an abiding respect for the pain and suffering we were causing. That we giggled like schoolgirls as we created them goes without saying. Joe *Ker Dessel - When it's called a setup for a reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I think it would be too hard to make prisoners work well enough to be an overall realism win. Keep in mind that in addition to everything already posted there will be a few problems popping up only when we play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tondu Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I just have to say thank you for this thread. I think it really should be made a sticky thread -OR CMN should have its own forum (dare I say it?) I cannot wait for CMN to be release. (CMSF is not my cup-o-tea.) Anyways, this thread really fills things in for me and I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Regarding the skinhead cuts the 'Germans' were given, as far as I can remember from our gossiping sessions (!) at the time about that very subject, it was purely because the head Costume Designer thought it would be a good look Ah, but why did the costume designer think that would be a "good look"? That's (as they say) the $64 question. Still strange that the head costume designer can make such decisions when every DVD "Making of" usually tells the viewer how painfully accurate history is recreated... Just because the making-of segment is full of claims about the movie's painfully accurate recreation of history doesn't mean the head costume designer bothers to consult any of the reenactors/historians hired for the movie. The movie featured many reenactors which came to the set with proper 40s haircuts made from their own expense. I think there was an agenda. Seems to me these days that without an agenda, a movie just doesn't get made. That's why a movie which is supposed to be firmly set in a particular time period (such as WW2) can only ever be about 70% to 80% historically accurate -- the agenda (whatever it may be) ensures that they inevitably alter something (or more likely several somethings) so that it either fits the typical ignorant moviegoer's preconceptions or panders to modern politically-correct thinking. Just a basic example: people's notions about how medieval kings behaved and ruled are mostly derived, not from historical record, but from the sycophantic quill-scratchings of troubadours whose patrons were said kings. I'll stop being off-topic now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Are you saying the medieval kings didn't always have a turkey leg at dinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Are you saying the medieval kings didn't always have a turkey leg at dinner? I'll leave it at this: Richard I of England may have been known as "Cœur de Lion" or "the Lionheart[ed]" during his own lifetime, but he was likewise valid that he was also known as "òc e no" (Occitan for "yes and no"). All this talk about historical inaccuracy makes me look forward all the more to CM:N! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Ah, but why did the costume designer think that would be a "good look"? That's (as they say) the $64 question. Maybe because that's what the "cool" people were wearing in Malibu that year? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromit Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Steve: I am wondering if, given that chronologically the Ost Front will work backwards towards 1941, there a chance we will see a late-game return to the Western Front in 1940? Char B1 bis FTW! http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/allied/charb1bispreviewsz_2_1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 Theoretically we have always been interested in doing Western Front 1940. Therefore, yes it is our desire to do that with CMx2 at some point. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Will there be wear and tear on the uniforms/vehicles building damage and muck/soil on the faces of the men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 No, they will all be clean and shaven with freshly laundered and ironed uniforms. Buck up, man! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFightingSeabee Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Uniform inspections at the end of every scenario? OK, that is TOO real for me, that's where I draw the line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Will there be wear and tear on the uniforms/vehicles... Lets recall that a game starting just after D-Day implies perhaps... three days wear and tear on on uniforms and vehicles? I recently read a report about the last days of II./Pz.Lehr-Rgt.130. About April 5 they take command of thirty brand-new Jagdpanthers. A week later they destroy the remaining nine. I doubt those vehicles had the chance to accumulate enough wear to resemble a dramatically weathered 'Fine Scale Modeler' Jagdpanther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I always hope for brush/leaf camouflage. That looks extremely good and was extremely common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppelhopser Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Theoretically we have always been interested in doing Western Front 1940. Therefore, yes it is our desire to do that with CMx2 at some point. Steve I'd love to see that done by Battlefront. Many interesting AFVs on all sides and apart from TOW which did the theatre quite nice apart from the missing 25mm AT gun not done yet commercially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksy Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Lets recall that a game starting just after D-Day implies perhaps... three days wear and tear on on uniforms and vehicles? I recently read a report about the last days of II./Pz.Lehr-Rgt.130. About April 5 they take command of thirty brand-new Jagdpanthers. A week later they destroy the remaining nine. I doubt those vehicles had the chance to accumulate enough wear to resemble a dramatically weathered 'Fine Scale Modeler' Jagdpanther. I know it's not important but it just adds a little to my enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Götz von Berlichingen Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Its beginning to feel alot like ------BONE TIME!!! Get your mind out of the gutter! I meant a CM:Normandy bone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Lets recall that a game starting just after D-Day implies perhaps... three days wear and tear on on uniforms and vehicles? I recently read a report about the last days of II./Pz.Lehr-Rgt.130. About April 5 they take command of thirty brand-new Jagdpanthers. A week later they destroy the remaining nine. I doubt those vehicles had the chance to accumulate enough wear to resemble a dramatically weathered 'Fine Scale Modeler' Jagdpanther. 15 minutes after they drove them off the train they were dirty. 15 hours after they drove them off the train, they were filthy and at least some had managed to bend a skirt or two. So, I'd say yes, ample opportunity to look worn and torn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway!!! Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I can't take it anymore. I'm going to have to pull an Eric Cartman waiting for this game and freeze myself till it comes out. Who's going to defrost me when it does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I can't take it anymore. I'm going to have to pull an Eric Cartman waiting for this game and freeze myself till it comes out. Who's going to defrost me when it does? Global warming will take care of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodkin Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I can't take it anymore. I'm going to have to pull an Eric Cartman waiting for this game and freeze myself till it comes out. Who's going to defrost me when it does? The Sea Otters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Runaway, I can't take it anymore. I'm going to have to pull an Eric Cartman waiting for this game and freeze myself till it comes out. Who's going to defrost me when it does? No need for freezing and thawing. Just breath a little bit of gas instead of oxygen and you'll do just fine. At least if you happen to have a physic more akin to a rat than a pig, otherwise you might have some side effects: Suspended animation is nearly here! Time to lock this one up as per tradition at (or about) the 300 post mark. Thanks for the long and thoughtful thread. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Are you saying the medieval kings didn't always have a turkey leg at dinner? Since you don't specify which medieval kings, it's hard to say. But my understanding is that Europeans didn't discover the turkey until they landed in the New World, after what I might consider the medieval period. They did have chickens though and I understand roast capon was quite popular among those who could afford it. That's probably what you saw Charles Laughton tearing into. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 After which he smoked a pipe of tobacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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