sburke Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: I'm only on page 12 right now but I doubt I'll see anything to refute any of this. LOL well you have 265 pages to go and not to blow the ending for ya, but almost everything you said is wrong. But keep reading lots of good stuff in there. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: It really comes down to, how long does Russia want to keep this up, when they do call a stop, and what are going to be their terms for a ceasefire? I'm only on page 12 right now but I doubt I'll see anything to refute any of this. Then you should read more pages which will show you how: In 3 weeks russians lost half of the troops they lost in 1.5 years in the first war in Chechnya which they lost. In 3 weeks they lost 4 major generals and dozens of other officers. They are now pulling their occupation forces from Syria, Azerbaijan and Georgia because they run out of combat-ready units Their troops thus far have abandoned over 500 vehicles incl. most modern and very expensive command stuff that costs 8 figures. In a week they haven't gained a single meter of ground, but are now losing positions. Heck, they are now pulling troops from Kurils. Ukraine is not even really using reserves yet. So does that look like an "operational pause" to you? Edited March 17, 2022 by kraze 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Servicemen of State Emergency Service of Mariupol. They continue to resque people and exringuish burning buildings under enemy fire with lack of technic - most of their equipment destroyed. Situation in Mariupol got worth - half of the city (to be precise, it remanis) is under enemy control. Except Russian and DPR troops (9th motor-rifla regiment) in city assult involved many DNR conscripts and Kadyrov's special police. For this day Azov reported about 4 enemy tanks and 2 BTRs destroyed, also enemy lost up to the company of infantry. Other units, defending Mariupol also inflict losses to Russians. Edited March 17, 2022 by Haiduk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Haiduk said: Servicemen of State Emergency Service of Mariupol. They continue to resque people and exringuish burning buildings under enemy fire with lack of technic - most of their equipment destroyed. These are Australian firefighters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Sorry Elvis. I thought it pertinent in that former accolades may not equate with current expertise. I'll be more restrained going forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, LukeFF said: Why on earth are you dragging up posts from near the end of last month, especially when it looks like you're just trying to poke someone in the face and say "haha, I told you so!" Skip to about page 270 and join the rest of us in the current time. Did you not see the entire rest of my post, or are you just casting shade because you want to wag your finger at me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, akd said: These are Australian firefighters. Yes, author ot that tweet put unaappropriate photo, I changed it, but all other is true... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, sburke said: LOL well you have 265 pages to go and not to blow the ending for ya, but almost everything you said is wrong. But keep reading lots of good stuff in there. So... The Russian advance has been stopped, Ukraine retains control of it's airspace, the Russian navy has been kicked out of the Black Sea, and both the USA and EU have announced a military intervention of some type, or are you just making a joke? Oh you're just making a joke. Ha ha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, kraze said: In a week they haven't gained a single meter of ground, but are now losing positions. Okay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexUK Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Russian losses seem catastrophic to me. And Russian army seems completely inept in war fighting, and I can't see that changing soon. Supply lines must surely be highly vulnerable, and getting repeatedly hammered. Even their artillery seems vulnerable to artillery/drone attacks. Air losses (plus losses on the ground - the Kherson airport strike alone was massive - and surely massively avoidable if they had dispersed the helicopters at least). I cannot imagine them lasting another week at this rate. Realistically I can only see Russia attempting to complete capture of Mariupol, and calling an end to the war as soon as possible, with retention of southern Ukraine territory. I would expect any reinforcements to be sent there. We are also presumably looking at a generation free from Russian land attack? How long will it take to rebuild/retrain/transform Russian military? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, sburke said: While the poll may be valid, giving Moscow credit for almost all wars in the last 30 years... nah. Humans will find a reason to shoot at each other, they don't need Moscow for that. Ugh: 1992 Moldova 1992 Azerbaijan 1993 Georgia 1994 Chechnya 1999 Chechnya again (Bonus: 1999 coup in Armenia when russian specops murdered the government) 2008 Georgia 2011 Syria 2014- Ukraine 2022 Kazakhstan Not to mention actively supporting multiple wars in Africa with troops. Seriously, they have no competition in bringing suffering to the world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: So... The Russian advance has been stopped, Ukraine retains control of it's airspace, the Russian navy has been kicked out of the Black Sea, and both the USA and EU have announced a military intervention of some type, or are you just making a joke? Oh you're just making a joke. Ha ha. obstinate? Russian advance has been stopped for all intents. You do recall Putin was planning on being in Kiev in 3 days right? Almost everyone including the doomsayers agree to that. Russia does not have uncontested control of UKR airspace (which is the real barometer, no one ever expected UKR to have air superiority so that is pretty much a red herring), the Russian Navy is cruising back and forth doing nothing and the West is supplying a ton of military hardware with which UKR is defeating the Russian army so please go read the other 265 pages. From your post it would seem you think Russia is winning this war. Maybe I am just reading into it, but that seems to be the crux. Please correct me if you feel I am mistaking your view. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, kraze said: Ugh: 1992 Moldova 1992 Azerbaijan 1993 Georgia 1994 Chechnya 1999 Chechnya again (Bonus: 1999 coup in Armenia when russian specops murdered the government) 2008 Georgia 2011 Syria 2014- Ukraine 2022 Kazakhstan Not to mention actively supporting multiple wars in Africa with troops. Seriously, they have no competition in bringing suffering to the world. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there have been a WHOLE lot more wars than that in the last 30 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 A week seems early. There's still units he can feed into the tractor-powered buzzsaw. Just so long as UKR stay focussed on hitting logistics and C&C. If they get distracted by shiny tactical successes they'll give Ivan time to rebuild both and then come back harder. Russian isn't done yet, nope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 "Authorities in the besieged eastern city of Mariupol have said that up to 90% of buildings in the city have been destroyed by Russian forces in their daily bombardment of the city. " -BBC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: Okay. This thread has tons of proof of why such map has no connection with reality. Especially in the north where they get ambushed daily non-stop and run back and forth in pockets like headless chicken. Thinking that if a russian tank drove 200km somewhere - everything must be painted red behind it - is proven wrong daily. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: I do wonder what universe some people live in You wanna back that up with some expertise or are we just gonna sling stuff here? 58 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: Ukraine cannot stop all of the Russian advances. They have had success with local counterattacks, and have stopped some advances temporarily, but Russian forces continue to advance in other areas. This has been one helluva "temporary". Those maps have not moved in coming up on two weeks. Why don't you go back a few pages and read my post on what an operational pause actually is (or is not) and then come back. 58 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: The Russian is used to operating this way As demonstrated by the dozens of abandoned vehicles, you know easy to replace stuff. 58 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: Ukraine cannot control it's airspace. The Russians have taken losses, but they remain free to operate combat aircraft and helicopters over most of the country. True, at least not entirely; however, the Russian's can't either. This has led to an air parity situation. Russians can and have been using air power but it is limited and has not been effective in interdicting western support or internal Ukrainina logistics. 58 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: The Russian Navy has free access to the Black Sea, which means they can conduct fire support and amphibious operations anywhere they want to at any time. I would love to see the Russians try an amphibious operation. So far easy stuff like heliborne and basic mechanized has eluded them completely, so why not go for an amphibious landing to round out the experience. Based on what I have seen they will die on the beach, if they can even make it that far. 58 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: The United States will do nothing but levy sanctions. 58 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: Europe will do nothing more than levy sanctions. They already have. The US just announced $800 million of lethal aid, is that just window dressing? You can google the aid coming in from Europe 58 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: I'm only on page 12 right now but I doubt I'll see anything to refute any of this. Ah, now I get it. You are that guy, one in every bar. Edited March 17, 2022 by The_Capt 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kinophile said: A week seems early. There's still units he can feed into the tractor-powered buzzsaw. Just so long as UKR stay focussed on hitting logistics and C&C. If they get distracted by shiny tactical successes they'll give Ivan time to rebuild both and then come back harder. Russian isn't done yet, nope. no but Putin is really scraping the barrel. 1 those troops won't be very effective. hell their morale probably already sucks cause they KNOW they wouldn't be being sent there unless things were really going bad. 2 It is just more long term damage to Russia. Putin is writing checks he can't cash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Footage from the ground at Kherson airport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, akd said: Hard to tell with the resolution, but looks photoshopped to me. I'm just catching up on the thread, but I have to say that is exactly the way it looked to me as well. Maybe someone was trying for meme. I dunno, like "hey, don't target me!"? Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaMatt Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: I'm just catching up on the thread, but I have to say that is exactly the way it looked to me as well. Maybe someone was trying for meme. I dunno, like "hey, don't target me!"? Steve That twitter link has a video of a vehicle with the same marking minus the black paint in the center. It's a real symbol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, General Jack Ripper said: So... The Russian advance has been stopped, Ukraine retains control of it's airspace, the Russian navy has been kicked out of the Black Sea, and both the USA and EU have announced a military intervention of some type, or are you just making a joke? Oh you're just making a joke. Ha ha. Those things would've mattered in WW2 era - but this isn't WW2 era. Russians controlled 100% of Afghanistan. On maps. In reality Afghanistan offed USSR. Who cares if russian fleet is in Black Sea when it's doing nothing, while hundreds of russians get killed daily? Who cares if russians are 10km away from Kyiv when staying 10km away from Kyiv costs them thousands in deaths? They lost 20% of their whole invasion force in 3 weeks and for what? Taking Kherson? If they keep "advancing" like that - in 2 months they won't have any army to fight with without full mobilization of their country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, sburke said: no but Putin is really scraping the barrel. 1 those troops won't be very effective. hell their morale probably already sucks cause they KNOW they wouldn't be being sent there unless things were really going bad. 2 It is just more long term damage to Russia. Putin is writing checks he can't cash. Oh I agree with you on those points, fully. Still, there's a lot in-theatre right now, so a week for it all to got tits-up seems optimistic. @kraze and not just only got Kherson by there are indicators they might be on the verge of abandoning it - as noted by @Haiduk, UKR forces are now halfway between Mykolaiv and Kherson... Edited March 17, 2022 by Kinophile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Kinophile said: A week seems early. There's still units he can feed into the tractor-powered buzzsaw. Almost a week ago Western intel (US probably, I forget) said that 100% of the Russian forces arrayed against Ukraine at the start of the war have been committed into battle. They have also been dragging units out of all corners of the Russian Federation and are actively recruiting Syrians. Saw a note today that Kadyrov pledged another 1000 to the fight. So, on the one hand you are correct that they have more units to feed into the buzzsaw, but not of their original invasion force. And now they are scraping the bottom of the barrel, so I think that there's not too much left to feed into the battle that isn't already there. 15 minutes ago, Kinophile said: Just so long as UKR stay focussed on hitting logistics and C&C. If they get distracted by shiny tactical successes they'll give Ivan time to rebuild both and then come back harder. Yeah, this is the big dilemma for Ukraine. If they keep doing what they are doing they've pretty much got the war cinched. But every day Russia slaughters more civilians and blows up more infrastructure. The incentive to hurry up Russia's demise is going to be tough to keep in check. 15 minutes ago, Kinophile said: Russian isn't done yet, nope. As an offensive force, they are done. As a reactive force, they're close to being done. As a defensive force they still have some play left in that. However, I have a feeling that once their ability to react is firmly crushed their will to fight a defensive war will evaporate. After all, if they aren't moving forward they aren't able to loot new places. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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