mjkerner Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I checked the French uniform folders after my usual new game/module brz exploding session, and there are no Goumiers in the traditional djellaba/robe. To double check, I went through all the months/years in the scenario editor, and none showed up. (French forces only show from November '43 through July '44.) In fact, there is no Algerian or Moroccan infantry unit listed, just "vanilla" French battalions and other units. (Adrian helmets are neat, though!) And the Manual doesn't mention them as part of the Free French. So, do we not have them, and if not, will we get them in a patch or somefink? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) I took am looking and cannot find them. I dont think they are in the module. we may have to wait for a unit pack Edited November 30, 2019 by Cobetco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Sat in my Jolly Bolly having my brekky as I read this. I was hoping they'd be there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1966 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I thought I saw screenshots of them in one of the bone threads ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Plans for Goumiers had been dropped from the module early on. I can't recall why but it involved game engine conflicts of one sort or another. Something about TO&E subunits not being allowed separate soldier models? I dunno, it went over my head at the time and I'm probably misremembering, but the upshot is they wanted Goumiers but couldn't have them without breaking TO&E structure... or something like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Sorry guys, they were cut way back in 2016 in an effort to get this thing done. A few other things were cut at the same time and not added back in when we picked up development again after CMSF2 was released. I double checked our webpages and didn't see any mention of them, but maybe I missed a spot? For the record, Goumiers were cut because they required new models, textures, and tailored TO&E. As we were already struggling with the totality of such force specific customizations we decided a line needed to be drawn or we'd never get the dang'd thing done. Even with the cuts it seemed like we'd never finish. But we did! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Dang, MikeyD ninja'd me And yeah, an added complication is that CM2's code was never designed to have more than one unique soldier model set within a particular branch, but also the game isn't set up to have otherwise redundant branches (e.g. "Infantry") for the same nation. There are workarounds, but they are extremely ugly and very brittle. The two exceptions where we felt we had to do it are US Airborne (Para and Glider) and Panzergrenadier (wrap uniform and standard infantry uniform). Two different workarounds, both suck for us to implement/maintain. On top of everything else, making another bloody workaround was not a good idea. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 Thanks Steve and MikeyD. There was a picture of what appeared to be a homemade mod in one of the FI threads a few weeks back that I think is what Zulu1966 referenced. I might have to resurrect and finish my attempt at modding them that I started 5 years ago! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 yeah and to note our French tester representative was pretty upset. We all were looking forward to that one, but sadly it didn't make the cut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy56 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, sburke said: yeah and to note our French tester representative was pretty upset. We all were looking forward to that one, but sadly it didn't make the cut. I'm pretty upset too, if it adds anything. 5 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: And yeah, an added complication is that CM2's code was never designed to have more than one unique soldier model set within a particular branch, but also the game isn't set up to have otherwise redundant branches (e.g. "Infantry") for the same nation. Guess we know what's going to be worked on for CM3x. Edited November 30, 2019 by Frenchy56 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, Frenchy56 said: Guess we know what's going to be worked on for CM3x. You got that right! Whatever we do next will learn from what we did before. The CM2 uniform/soldier stuff has gone through several major revisions over the years, but inherently it's tied to a system that was up for all the challenges we've wound up throwing at it. R2V stressed out that system more than anything else we ever did. Needless to say, that's left an impression on us! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy56 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said: You got that right! Whatever we do next will learn from what we did before. The CM2 uniform/soldier stuff has gone through several major revisions over the years, but inherently it's tied to a system that was up for all the challenges we've wound up throwing at it. R2V stressed out that system more than anything else we ever did. Needless to say, that's left an impression on us! Steve Good to know you got that. Hopefully in-game models will have variations that aren't just textures and reflect the actual ranks of the soldiers! And actual variations in the ranks as well (I remember someone saying the ranks are hard-coded into each formation, and I believe them). Maybe a numbering system for AFVs or other vehicles in a formation. I'd be absolutely delighted by that, even more if it's moddable. Edited November 30, 2019 by Frenchy56 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Are we talking about the Goumiers models someone posted screen shots of just two weeks ago? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy56 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sequoia said: Are we talking about the Goumiers models someone posted screen shots of just two weeks ago? Yeah. However everyone just forgot that they weren't mentioned at all in the store TO&E page. Edited November 30, 2019 by Frenchy56 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) I bet an intrepid modder could do something reasonable with the 1st FFD trenchcoat model. Edited November 30, 2019 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 yes it is precisely a mod that I imagined because the goums was not expected in R2V and I showed it to wink 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Bigger "Wink" next time, for us oldies with poor eye sight. Hopefully we will get some player made goumier battles in due course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokossovski Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, zulu1966 said: I thought I saw screenshots of them in one of the bone threads ? Goumiers were noted in the 2015 Christmas Bones thread as expected to come in the Rome to Victory module thusly: "The following services will be added: British Indian Army, South Africa, French Expeditionary Corps (including Moroccan Goumiers), and Waffen-SS. Of course, existing services will be filled out with all of the new formations that have been created for other Combat Mission titles since the last Fortress Italy module released: Gebirgsjäger units, Luftwaffe Field Divisions, flamethrower units, etc. All currently existing formations will be updated to 1945 TO&E. Also: US Mountain units. " (Emphasis added). The full thread is here: There was a screenshot, but I took it to have been associated with the Indian Army rather than Goumiers. Naturally BFC is free to cut potential features as they see fit for technical reasons or any other reasons. I'm not intending to complain. I located and linked to the prior thread simply because I wanted to confirm I wasn't imagining my recollection that Goumiers were once expected to appear in the module. (Long before the thread that started a couple of weeks ago). Edited November 30, 2019 by Rokossovski 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) I'll be working on one after I get to the SF2 British uniforms I didn't finish last Spring. There are a lot more option with skins and whatnot with the release of R2V. Edit: Loaded my old one form years ago into R2V and it works! But this is a mod to the British uniforms. Need to do it with the French. Edited December 1, 2019 by mjkerner 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 @Rokossovski You seem to be a very polite, helpful kind of fellow. Although I can't help but notice that you appear to be in need of a good haircut, and a close shave. I know an excellent barbering establishment in Whitehall, and have taken the liberty of making a booking for you on January 30th in the New Year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokossovski Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warts 'n' all said: [Snip] . . . I can't help but notice that you appear to be in need of a good haircut, and a close shave. I know an excellent barbering establishment in Whitehall, and have taken the liberty of making a booking for you on January 30th in the New Year. Very kind of you, but I already tried that establishment almost 371 years ago, and found the shave to be . . . excessive. Pro tip I learned: do not frequent a barber who uses an axe. By the way, isn't Whitehall very near Westminster Hall? I believe your hairstyle was seen there for many years (displayed on a pike, if memory serves). Edited December 1, 2019 by Rokossovski 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 17 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: Sorry guys, they were cut way back in 2016 in an effort to get this thing done. A few other things were cut at the same time and not added back in when we picked up development again after CMSF2 was released. I double checked our webpages and didn't see any mention of them, but maybe I missed a spot? For the record, Goumiers were cut because they required new models, textures, and tailored TO&E. As we were already struggling with the totality of such force specific customizations we decided a line needed to be drawn or we'd never get the dang'd thing done. Even with the cuts it seemed like we'd never finish. But we did! Steve Disappointing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: Double post. Edited December 1, 2019 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Rokossovski said: Very kind of you, but I already tried that establishment almost 371 years ago, and found the shave to be . . . excessive. Pro tip I learned: do not frequent a barber who uses an axe. By the way, isn't Whitehall very near Westminster Hall? I believe your hairstyle was seen there for many years (displayed on a pike, if memory serves). Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That was brilliant! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Well at least neither of you are burned countless times each November. Then again your face becoming an anti-establishment symbol is kind of cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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