kensal Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 From the German side the possibilities for formations are almost endless and perhaps unrealistic to expect them all. LW and Fallschirmjager SS + Heer Gebirgsjager Jager Volksgrenadier Volksturm (already mentioned I think) SS Cavalry (perhaps we will have to accept that there won't be horses...) Ski-Jager Stellung division Finns Baltic States SS Hungarians Romanians Bulgarians SS Cossacks Russian Liberation Army? Also might it be possible for the Unit editor to have more flexibility for German forces (and perhaps US forces in Bulge) to have mixed kampfgruppe or Combat Commands? At present we can create a mixed kampfgruppe with a unified HQ by adding various single vehicles or teams to battalion HQ. It would be great to be able to add subordinate company or platoon sized formations to a battalion HQ - say a PzGr or infantry Battalion HQ with a subordinate armoured company or platoon HQ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Jadgpanther didn't show up in the theater til October. Steve was particularly vexed to discover that inconvenient fact He's not the only one. I had been intending to redo the tank spotting tests first thing as soon as I got CMRT so as to pursue the Mystery of the Blind Jagdpanther. Looks like that will have to wait for CMBN 3.0, and any changes from that must wait until whatever comes after that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Knudsen Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Late war German IR Night Vision capabilities ? Would be Kooool! They had improved NVG tech since 1918, but the principle remained the same... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenris Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 The game will remain fundamentally flawed until we see those flaming Russian assault troops we saw in that recent Stalingrad movie. We got flames now so no more excuses. -F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Then there's these guys: Naval Infantry played a rather prominent role in the Karelian Front in 1944 with two brigades landing at Tuulos on the northern shore of Ladoga and later attempting to relieve encircled infantry divisions in Ilomantsi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCASWILLEN05 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 According to Hinze's account in East Front Drama there were a few Hungarian units that participated in the battlesd of July to early August 1944 including the 1st Royal Hunarian Cavalry Division, some reservist units. Hungarians and Roumanians were more AG South but with the Lvov offensive and later operations this sector remained of great importance right though to the end of the war with many well known battles fought in this sector. We really need the scope to cover these, not to mention the liberation f the Baltic States, the drive into Poland and eventually into Germany itself. I expect to finish ze series raising ze Red Banner on the ruins of the Reichstadt! Not to forget I want the rest of the Russian Front as well. ASAP! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessian deserter Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 You mean the late war IR night vision technology that most German tank commanders took off because it was garbage? I just remember seeing it shown on the Box art of a 1/35 scale DML Halftrack. So IR was around. However I am not enough of a self proclaimed expert [we have many here lol] to say that it was garbage. Could you please elaborate?:eek: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttorneyAtWar Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I just remember seeing it shown on the Box art of a 1/35 scale DML Halftrack. So IR was around. However I am not enough of a self proclaimed expert [we have many here lol] to say that it was garbage. Could you please elaborate?:eek: I am no expert on it either but I remember quite well that the tank IR technology was pretty much worthless. It gave your position away because of the IR lamp and it was finicky. I know some Panthers were deployed with them (You can actually see the IR mount on some as well), but it wasn't anything great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokko Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Shouldn't an IR lamp not give your position away, because IR light is like, not visible to the human eye? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Shouldn't an IR lamp not give your position away, because IR light is like, not visible to the human eye? Like you, I am not really informed in the area, but a couple things occur to me. The first is that it might emit light in the visible spectrum as well (these things were in an early stage of development, after all). The other is that even if they only emit in the IR spectrum, anybody with a Snooperscope would pick up on it immediately. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokko Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I really have only a very basic understanding of how these early night vision devices worked and were deployed, but they were called Generation 0 for a reason, and the Allies didn't have anything in that direction as far as I know, except for some rifle mounted solutions used in the very late war in the Pacific. I don't really see how these vehicle based devices could be implemented in Combat Mission in a user-friendly way considering they had to be used together with special searchlight halftracks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waclaw Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 "Liberation" - August / December 1944 "liberation" of Polish, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary (Polish partisans - Operation Ostra Brama, Operation Tempest - Lwów Uprising, the Warsaw Uprising (two-month battle) Raid on Berlin - January / May 1945 The operation's Vistula-Odra river - Battle of the Pomeranian, fortress Breslau, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Battle of Lake Balaton and of course Berlin (polish LWP) Korea - 1950-1953;) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessian deserter Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 O.K. Thanks guys. I'll do some more research on the early IR systems that the Germans used. I thought I also saw an IR searchlight used with a Late Panther "Small Turrent".But I don't know if they got into operational service or not? Maybe more of "46 What if":confused: kind of thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 IIRC these very early IR systems typically featured one vehicle with an IR spotlight that would illuminate for all the others, which had passive sensors. I have no idea how well they worked in practice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.X Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 The German Panzer-Division "Clausewitz" used 2 to 3 IR-Panthers in one of its battlegroups, while attacking the US near Uelzen in late April 1945. These Panthers were able to destroy a number of US AT-guns with very exactly fire during the night-fighting (from the book: "The last front at the Elbe-River"). Regards Frank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessian deserter Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 mmmmmmmm A '46 "what if Module" in the he future maybe? why is there a twinkle in my eye? lol. Endless possibilities there! Thanks for the IR info Vanir... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessian deserter Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 mmmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe a '46" what if" module in the future? What do you all think? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Steve has dropped hints that he may be willing to 'go crazy' on oddballs and paper panzers in the final packs for Bulge/Eastern Front. See Panther Fs, IS-3s and Maus show up, and who knows what else. That doesn't sound much like Steve, though. I'll believe it when I see it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttorneyAtWar Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Steve has dropped hints that he may be willing to 'go crazy' on oddballs and paper panzers in the final packs for Bulge/Eastern Front. See Panther Fs, IS-3s and Maus show up, and who knows what else. That doesn't sound much like Steve, though. I'll believe it when I see it. Panther F's huh? I have to look that one up... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Panther Fs were literally on the assembly line as the plants got over-run. Basically it was a G hull using the now-famous 'schmalturm' turret. Often mistaken for "Panther II" which is entirely unrelated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Steve has dropped hints that he may be willing to 'go crazy' on oddballs and paper panzers in the final packs for Bulge/Eastern Front. See Panther Fs, IS-3s and Maus show up, and who knows what else. That doesn't sound much like Steve, though. I'll believe it when I see it. I agree it doesn't sound like Steve or Charles. Their position has been if it wasn't there it won't be in the game though I think they gave us the T-90 in CMSF for game play reasons as I think the evidence Syria had them in 2008 was dubious. Still they drew the line at the T-80. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttorneyAtWar Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Panther Fs were literally on the assembly line as the plants got over-run. Basically it was a G hull using the now-famous 'schmalturm' turret. Often mistaken for "Panther II" which is entirely unrelated. Now that is an interesting looking turret... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 mmmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe a '46" what if" module in the future? What do you all think? Not for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 The only what if that interests me is Soviets vs. Western Allies. I wouldn't mind seeing the Panther F and IS-3 and Jagdtiger. As noted, the Panther F was nearly ready to roll when the factories were over run, and the IS-3 was real enough although the early models had serious defects. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I agree it doesn't sound like Steve or Charles. Their position has been if it wasn't there it won't be in the game though I think they gave us the T-90 in CMSF for game play reasons as I think the evidence Syria had them in 2008 was dubious. Still they drew the line at the T-80. Heh... well, the T-90 was a harbinger of things to come. I don't now if we'll ever get a Maus in the game as it might break about 10 dozen game engine assumptions. However, something like the Panther F and IS-3 are candidates because we know quite a bit about them and had the war gone on much longer they would have seen service (even if in small numbers). Something like the E-100 or Panther II isn't something I think we'll ever get to since they were both cancelled during prototype stage. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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