Elmar Bijlsma Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Believe it or not, one of the things that flashed through my mind when I saw the first screen shots showing ground terrain details in CMBN, was "They are going to debates on the forums about what flowers would be growing in July in the Bocage country..." Thanks for making my dreams come true. Hey, I didn't make a swallow reference for nothing, you know! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcat Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Believe it or not, one of the things that flashed through my mind when I saw the first screen shots showing ground terrain details in CMBN, was "They are going to debates on the forums about what flowers would be growing in July in the Bocage country..." Thanks for making my dreams come true. Oi! You are the one that started the flora issue. Remember you did post, "Actually, I'm shocked that no-one has identified this particular flower as indigenous to North America only. Are we to swallow the story that they got the flora right?" I was going to let the issue rest until you stuck your oar in. Then Steve had to male his Lavender claim and so in the interests of historical fidelity we were off. So, it ill behoves you, having stirred the excrement, to come around wittering about its smell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyBucket Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 ... Remember you did post, "Actually, I'm shocked that no-one has identified this particular flower as indigenous to North America only. Are we to swallow the story that they got the flora right?" Errrr, no. I don't remember posting that. 'Course, I'm at the point where almost any claim of memory lapse made against me has to be given substantial credit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcat Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Ooops, sorry! It was Elmar. Danged Dutchmen getting in, stirring everything up and confusing us old folks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Tulips, always it comes back to the Dutch and their damn tulips... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Denis Moore didn't ride through the moor, he rode through the glen with his merry men. "Stole from the poor gave to the rich... silly bitch silly bitch silly bitch....." As to lavender it mainly grows to the south but it is also grown as a crop. Google; Lavender, France and look at images. Or better still post some here it looks awesome. I can image the odd prospect of an infantry fire fight in a bright purple field. Oh and then of course there may well be the mod of field the six foot high Sunflowers which again tend to be further south but it would be crazy terrain for a battle. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Now this is a field of Lavender..... http://www.battlefront.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=780&d=1304193472 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 And some sunflowers...... It really is a beautiful country to have a war in..... Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcat Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Peter, You make my point for me. Does the screen shot look anything like that Lavender plantation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 Oh, but you're comparing a 21st century industrialized farm to a 1940's farm where things were done by man and horse kind of way. Of course it looks different! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogCBrand Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Oh, but you're comparing a 21st century industrialized farm to a 1940's farm where things were done by man and horse kind of way. Of course it looks different! Exactly! The Berglöwe 360SE Automated Lavender Harvester gives us the perfect rows that would have been impossible back in the day! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Watching the original it looked like the episode from South Park where Canada and the US go to war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcat Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Oh, but you're comparing a 21st century industrialized farm to a 1940's farm where things were done by man and horse kind of way. Of course it looks different! Sergei, First off, as I have already posted, there is no evidence that lavender was farmed commercially in Normandy, so the issue of horses versus the "Berglöwe 360SE Automated Lavender Harvester" (my thanks to RogCBrand for reminding of tha invalauable piece of machinery), don't enter into it. Secondly, if you zoom in on the shrubs in that commercial lavender photo you will see what I meant about the modelling of the flowers, if Steve was being serious, of lavender being fundamentally flawed. Frankly the only way I can see BF being able to cogently release the game without a fundamental redesign of the terrain model is if they were to say to the flora grogs, "Stop being so -ing silly", but I am not holding my breath. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 The terrain set for the entire campaign in France (up to the Bulge timeframe) is included in the base game. At least that's what we were thinking when we put it in. Seems some of us (raises hand) didn't realize it's only appropriate for Southern France. Which means we probably could have done without it. Oh well, seems next time we'll have to get some Floral Grogs on the Beta Testing team (if only to tease them ). Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 Sergei, First off, as I have already posted, there is no evidence that lavender was farmed commercially in Normandy, so the issue of horses versus the "Berglöwe 360SE Automated Lavender Harvester" (my thanks to RogCBrand for reminding of tha invalauable piece of machinery), don't enter into it. Secondly, if you zoom in on the shrubs in that commercial lavender photo you will see what I meant about the modelling of the flowers, if Steve was being serious, of lavender being fundamentally flawed. Frankly the only way I can see BF being able to cogently release the game without a fundamental redesign of the terrain model is if they were to say to the flora grogs, "Stop being so -ing silly", but I am not holding my breath. You're assuming that Steve KNOWS it's lavender. It could be just a rare spice that Germans wanted to be cultivated so that they could make more Jägermeister. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 You're assuming that Steve KNOWS it's lavender. It could be just a rare spice that Germans wanted to be cultivated so that they could make more Jägermeister. I'd assumed that was an offshoot of the oil from coal process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Oh and then of course there may well be the mod of field the six foot high Sunflowers which again tend to be further south but it would be crazy terrain for a battle. That reminds me that Normandy does grow some wierd-ass looking cropps, to whit: artichokes (the globe variety) Spiky things with a stalk with a globe on it. Or at least that's what my dad said it was when we were on holiday there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 You're assuming that Steve KNOWS it's lavender. It could be just a rare spice that Germans wanted to be cultivated so that they could make more Jägermeister. No one drinks that sh1te, a few people pretend they do just to keep the producers happy. It seems more likely that that screenshot was taken in a field that a farmer tried to use for lavender, but his enterprise failed so he left it fallow hence the current wild-lavender aspect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex1 Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 I betcha 360 is the highest resolution the original video was ever made in! prolly right. They needed to redo the 1st one aswell then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadekster88 Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 I'm just waiting for the lavender versus sunflower debate and which was better in August 1944 when you took into account certain soil conditions and drainage factors. Throw in which one looks better in certain pots and it could get downright ugly. Cry havoc and let slip the grogs of flower war! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I plan to do the first manure pile mod. Those pretty flowers need nutrition, you know... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJJ Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I'm just waiting for the lavender versus sunflower debate and which was better in August 1944 when you took into account certain soil conditions and drainage factors. Throw in which one looks better in certain pots and it could get downright ugly. Cry havoc and let slip the grogs of flower war! Oh sweet heavens, we're reduced to debating the merits of flora and manure piles in Normandy as we wait for the demo and release of the game? Steve, for all good things that are decent, put us out of this misery. Horticulture. My word. Not even the number of lugnuts holding on the front geared wheel of tank type XYZ ... flowers for all things sacred. Man, we have been reduced from hard-core grogs to something even my wife could have a conversation with. The shame. Where has our manly man-ness gone? (Rhetorical, I don't need pics from any of you flowery lot.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadekster88 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I don't think subject matter at this point is something anyone cares about, we're just looking for something to debate as everything worth speculating about the game or demo has about run its course. Once the game goes live however.... :cool: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Like Ali-Baba asked... is it just me or are walking animations WAY better than CMSF? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faelwolf Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The graphics in the new version are very impressive, at ground level on par with some FPS games I have. I can recall when the general consensus among the gaming "experts" was that strategy/tactical games would never be this good graphically, and we would all have to settle for rough graphics or abstracts forever. But where I really tip my hat to the graphics dept. is the zooming. It's an aspect that is easy to miss as a viewer (unless they get it wrong, then it is very noticeable), but when I watched the AAR videos, I noticed that there is a near infinite zoom scale, without the graphics degrading at any resolution. No moire screening, no pixelation, and no shifting of the terrain tiles that I could see. That is a very difficult thing to achieve, and I have seen game companies with much larger budgets and staff drop the ball on that consistently, on static art. And don't forget that all the terrain has to be modular to allow for map making by the end user while doing this. Then add in animated objects meeting the same requirements while in motion. I am sure the modding community will improve the few things that aren't sparkly enough to suit them, like the bomb blast effects and such, but I'd say we have been given one heck of a good game to start with. (Not a knock on anyone's comments, just an observation) Speaking of modding, I also give credit to the company for allowing the art to be modded, I have seen discussions on that, and the game isn't even out yet. They have enough confidence in the product to open it up to the player base, and we all win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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