LongLeftFlank Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Grigb said: Claim Wagnerites entered Voronezh region from that Bugaevka border checkpoint. Current destination is unknown Edited June 24, 2023 by LongLeftFlank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) RU mil reporter Quote The situation is much more complicated than it seems. Junior private and command staff at the front for Prigozhin. More precisely, against Shoigu and [his] company. Because of the meat assaults head-on, for the lack of shells, for the stupidity of the command, for the abandoned Kherson. To roll Wagners into asphalt is to get the most powerful hit to moral of the army. And there, a full-fledged uprising is just around the corner. As an option - to judge [in court] Prigozhin and Shoigu. The first for mutiny, the second for the failure of its own and total theft, which led to [SMO] failure, with real terms, for 15 years. Edited June 24, 2023 by Grigb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Pete Wenman said: Exaggerated. They are present but do not control much. Too few of them yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Guys I am off for 10-15 minutes to get my cup of coffee. But it might take more time as my laptop is trying to die on me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, Grigb said: Rybar analysis of Putin speech 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ts4EVER Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 He might end up being right... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireship4 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Full translation of Putin speech (with non-subtitled video at the bottom) via @wartranslated: https://nitter.net/wartranslated/status/1672508593969549312#m Edited June 24, 2023 by fireship4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Couldn't resist: Also, fascinating to see at least one voice on Twitter insist that the MoD will win because it has more soldiers, more tanks, more etc than Wagner. Seriously? Have people not been paying attention to the last year and a half? Also also, looks like Wagner is going on all in and upgrading from mutinty to coup: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I am back. I got suggestion that I should post short summaries only like every 30-60 minutes. If it is more convenient for everybody I can do it like this. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kinophile Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 53 minutes ago, LongLeftFlank said: Is it just me, or do the recent video clips and still photos of Budanov look somewhat altered? @Kinophile, as someone in the business do you have a thought on what might be going on here? I know RUsimps are trying to push the line that he and Zaluzhny were killed or injured in (separate) missile strikes and are being deepfaked to cover it up. But something just looks... off. And it isn't just this one video. It does look a little wonked, but I think thats more an artifact of the video compression. Budanov has lately had a hair cut and shaved, and man, it does him no favours in the looks department. He's one of those guys with a weak chin who should use a beard to mask it. Smart guy though, and he does a great job, of course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Grigb said: I am back. I got suggestion that I should post short summaries only like every 30-60 minutes. If it is more convenient for everybody I can do it like this. My opinion not count for much because I am a lurker, but personally I do not follow any social media so this is my only feed about the events outside of mainstream media. As such, for me it is fine for this one thread to go a bit faster than normal on a day when more is happening. But summaries are also fine. Mainstream media (e.g. Guardian live thread) seem to do it this way since they need more confirmation of rumor. Whatever you do, thank you for translating and sharing your thoughts. Edited June 24, 2023 by alison typo 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quick Galeotti take: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedorf81 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Two things seemed utterly clear to me that are not happening in Russia right now: 1: When trying to take over power through a coup/mutiny/civil uprising, always be sure to kill the current leader. AND DO NOT HESITATE!! 2: If you have an uprising, insurrection or mutiny on your hands, immediately and mercilessly try get rid of it with everything you have at your disposal. AND DO NOT HESITATE!! Neither is happening, and that is the biggest mystery to me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11:04 https://t.me/zloy_zhurnalist/5377 Claim Wagnerites column toward Voronezh. Voronezh is calm but there is no military in the city. https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/10866 Nesmyan (Civilian Girkin) Video - Heavy construction vehicles are moving toward Moscow to be used to block avenues of approach 11:08 https://t.me/dva_majors/18861 Volodin (RU parliament) "The deputies stand for the consolidation of forces amd support the president," the speaker of the State Duma said. He noted that the Wagner fighters should be with their people and on the side of the law, protect the security of the Motherland and follow the orders of the Supreme Commander—in-chief, everything else is a betrayal. 11:08 https://t.me/rybar/48906 Rybar Front Aviation is hitting M4 highway. Olr RU joke that eventually RU gov will bomb Voronezh to scare heinous westerners became reality. 11:13 https://t.me/rybar/48907 Rybar And this is still playing into the hands of PMCs. We see online statements by Surovikin, Alekseev, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov. We see statements from the Department of Information and Mass Communications. We see the actions and consequences of giving instructions from the leadership of the Ministry of Defense. But we do not see the main thing — at least some attempts at dialogue with the PMCs. Maybe Gerasimov and Shoigu profess the principle "there can be no dialogue with terrorists." But in this case, this principle does not work. The speech of the military-political leadership — not only the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, but also the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation — would demonstrate the flexibility of the participants in the conflict. And it could show to the doubting and rushing souls that they are, there are military leaders who are not afraid to speak out. But for some reason there is no such thing. There are only Prigozhin's words that Gerasimov and Shoigu "ran away", "withdrew themselves [out of the situation]" and "gave criminal orders". 11:21 https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12885 Fighter-bomber (VKS pilot) Ru helicopter are flying now with one Wagnerite on board to make sure they do not fly to impropriate place. But nobody knows how he can really understand where they are flying. 11:23 https://t.me/dva_majors/18871 Claim video from left side of the river at oil depot. 11:25 https://t.me/dva_majors/18872?single Claim - videos of [unknown] military columns at Voronezh 11:30 https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/10870 Nesmyan Claim - video of firefigth at Voronezh. No further information 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 BTW, I do not post everything I see. I do apply basic filters (like reports about Prig assassination attempts smells BS so far) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Haiduk Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Despite uprising, the war is going on. This night Ukraine was under most heavy airstrike for last weeks. 51 missiles were launched - 40 Kh-101/555, 2 Kalibrs, 9 Kh-22 41 missiles were shot down (40 Kh-101/555, 1 Kalibr). One interception was enough close to our house. Damned BOOOM at 3:05 of night woke us up. Over Kyiv were shot down more than 20 missiles. Alas, one intercepted missile hit tall 24-storey building, causing death of 3 civilians and injuring of 24 Kh-22 are targeted Dnipro and Kryvyi Rih. Reportedlyu one infrasructure object was hit, one missile hit dachas, destroying several houses Edited June 24, 2023 by Haiduk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Sounds of explosions and intensive shooting probably in Voronezh oblast. Local man filming it and says "Damn, did it war begin?" After shooting became louder he says "I should run away [and used Ukrianain word "tikat' "for it - local southern-Russian dialect has many Ukrainisms], in order not being shot dead" Also reportedly Russian aviation bombs M-4 highway with FABs in area of Boguchar, Voronezh oblast. There is large military base there of 3rd MRD elements. Edited June 24, 2023 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 It is a circus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Grigb said: Summary - Bla-bla-bla, everything will be fine I promise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11:34 https://t.me/milinfolive/102591 Military Informant claim - Rostov-Moscow is fully blocked now 11:34 https://t.me/militarymaps/35749 RU Nat video - Military columns (BTR and trucks) at outskirts of Moscow 11:36 RU Nats are getting angrier at Putin after speech 11:37 https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12887 Fighter-bomber video Claim Wagnerites column 2 km from Buturlinovka (town near Voronezh coord:50°49′30″ с. ш. 40°35′20″ в. д.) Going to airfield. Actively use Pansirs AA. Every column has soldiers with MANPADs who is ready to shoot Reminder AP Wagner is not official channel 11:40 Pro-Kremlin channel discusses that Slutsky (s a Russian politician, Member of the State Duma of Russia and the current leader of the right-wing populist Liberal Democratic Party of Russia party. ) and Kadyrov are silent 11:44 RU Nats are getting angrier at RU gov lack of desire to resolve the crisis peacefully by sacrificing Shoigu and Gerasimov 11:45 https://t.me/dva_majors/18883 Claim Wagnerites passed Buturlinovka without any stops 11:45 [original 11:34] https://t.me/rybar/48910 Rybar reports that infamous LDPR [Zhirinovsky party) party calls Putin baba (dumb, hysterical and coward woman) https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12889 Fither-bobmber claims Wagnerites were heading toward Talovo (51°07′ с. ш. 40°43′ в. д.HG north of Buturlinovka) after Buturlinovka 11:49 Military Informer - video Claim RU Mod units are taking positions at Oka river bridge ( 54.869308, 37.504229) at Serpukhov (town on Moscow region 11:51 Head of Tatarstan supports Putin https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/3717 Kadyrov spoken - it is treason. They should be punished. 11:55 https://t.me/dva_majors/18890 Claim - Building Wagner Center [Petersburg] is under Wagnerite control but everything outside is under RU police control Claim - Kadyrovci were ordered to disarm Wagnerites. Potentially very explosive move Ru Nats are discussing now that only way for Putin to win this is to resolve it peacefully. Once serious fighting starts it will head toward full civil war. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Shot down EW Mi-8MTPR. Edited June 24, 2023 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Grigb said: Claim RU Mod units are taking positions at Oka river bridge Russian history is making weird circle combining new "Kornilov's mutiny" with "standing on Oka" from 15th century %) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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