CHEqTRO Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Ukranian civilians protesting in the city of Berdyansk the Russian ocupation of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Even always neutral Switzerland has joined the sanctions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Wasn´t aware that the lunatic has some sort of contact phobia... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 A whole convoy of russian forces found abandoned by civilians. I hope the ukranian forces or the civilians themselves are disabling them, so they cannot be retaken by the Russians 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeondTheGrave Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, DesertFox said: Wasn´t aware that the lunatic has some sort of contact phobia... He knows whose speaking because he has their scripts set in front of him. Also is that the old Politburo meeting room? Also a correction for another story I recently posted. Apparently Gen Staff shake ups are still just hearsay. Sorry! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, DesertFox said: Wasn´t aware that the lunatic has some sort of contact phobia... Yeah, he seems that since the start of COVID is extremely paranoid of getting close to people. That surely is not helping its mental health, thats for sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeondTheGrave Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, CHEqTRO said: A whole convoy of russian forces found abandoned by civilians. I hope the ukranian forces or the civilians themselves are disabling them, so they cannot be retaken by the Russians Okay I get that running out of fuel sucks, nobody wants to bog down in a warzone. But where did all the soldiers go? Those are BTRs, shouldn't there be lots of infantry to establish a perimeter? Did they run out of gas and just **** off and go home? Tankers without their tank are almost useless to a modern army, unless Russia is going to fall back on its T-62 reserves (does it even still have T-62s?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Sarjen said: So the consensus here is that Putin will up the weight and contribute the next 1/4 of his forces to get Kyiv and Charkiw. He will start to attack the cities with artilley and cruise missiles while sending the army of Belarus to the west of Ukraine to cut them from supplies of the west. What do you think will the West do, once the civilian casualties of the population become intolerable? Do you think NATO, EU or independent nations that border to Ukraine will act to hold a relief corridor open? Or declare the western half of Ukraine as a NOFLY-zone to protect the evacuees? Or do you think they will do nothing in fear of nuclear retaliation? I think for the West, especially Europe this is a decisive moment. If we back up now, we're lost. And betray all our ideals, where many people died and suffered for. As I said before, we have to DO something. So yes, a corridor, a NOFLY-zone and no fear for nuclear threats. The future and freedom of Europe and the rest of the free world is at stake. “Though much is taken, much abides; and though We are not now that strength which in old days Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.” Alfred Lord Tennyson Edited February 28, 2022 by Aragorn2002 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BeondTheGrave said: Okay I get that running out of fuel sucks, nobody wants to bog down in a warzone. But where did all the soldiers go? Those are BTRs, shouldn't there be lots of infantry to establish a perimeter? Did they run out of gas and just **** off and go home? Tankers without their tank are almost useless to a modern army, unless Russia is going to fall back on its T-62 reserves (does it even still have T-62s?) The thing is that it seems that in some cases is not so much that they are running out of fuel, but rather that they themselves are throwing it up once they realize where they are heading. There are videos that I posted yesterday of civilians actually picking up russian soldiers and getting them to Ukranian authorities. That tells us that those soldiers were completely left alone by the rest of their forces and that their moral very low, as they, being armed, actually handed themselves up to unarmed civilians. Edited February 28, 2022 by CHEqTRO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSA Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, Sarjen said: So the consensus here is that Putin will up the weight and contribute the next 1/4 of his forces to get Kyiv and Charkiw. He will start to attack the cities with artilley and cruise missiles while sending the army of Belarus to the west of Ukraine to cut them from supplies of the west. What do you think will the West do, once the civilian casualties of the population become intolerable? Do you think NATO, EU or independent nations that border to Ukraine will act to hold a relief corridor open? Or declare the western half of Ukraine as a NOFLY-zone to protect the evacuees? Or do you think they will do nothing in fear of nuclear retaliation? My money would be on convincing Zelenskyy to no longer martyr tens of thousands of his people and capitulate. Can NATO maintain a limited conventional war with Russia in it's current state and are they very confident it won't escalate to nuclear war? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeondTheGrave Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Damnit Boris! (kidding, its not the UK's fault that Putin has to rattle his nuclear sabre.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White2Golf Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, AlanSA said: My money would be on convincing Zelenskyy to no longer martyr tens of thousands of his people and capitulate. Can NATO maintain a limited conventional war with Russia in it's current state and are they very confident it won't escalate to nuclear war? Can we stop blaming the victim please? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keas66 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, AlanSA said: My money would be on convincing Zelenskyy to no longer martyr tens of thousands of his people and capitulate. Can NATO maintain a limited conventional war with Russia in it's current state and are they very confident it won't escalate to nuclear war? Offer NATO and EU membership to all three states immediately . Russia , Belarus and Ukraine . Removal of Sanctions , immediate cessation of hostilities , removal of all Russian Forces from Ukrainian Territory ....and then we go from there . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, keas66 said: Offer NATO and EU membership to all three states immediately . Russia , Belarus and Ukraine . Removal of Sanctions , immediate cessation of hostilities , removal of all Russian Forces from Ukrainian Territory ....and then we go from there . Would be great if that would work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, AlanSA said: My money would be on convincing Zelenskyy to no longer martyr tens of thousands of his people and capitulate. Can NATO maintain a limited conventional war with Russia in it's current state and are they very confident it won't escalate to nuclear war? I thought South Africans were made of sterner stuff. Do you let your wife get raped, because you're afraid to get a beating? NATO is not that weak and we still have the strongest country in the world behind us. Edited February 28, 2022 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeondTheGrave Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: I thought South Africans were made of sterner stuff. Do you let your wife get raped, because you're afraid to get a beating? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Looks like another T-80U of 4th Guards Tank Division is getting torched. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) The UN Secretary General has just said in a speech at the special emergency meeting that Kiyv is "encircled on all sides". Watching it on Deutsche Welle right now. Wondering if that was based on the AP report? You'd think he of all people would have access to pretty good intel. BBC now also covered it: "It is raging across the country, from air, land and sea. It must stop now. Russian missile and air bombardments are pounding Ukrainian cities day and night. The capital, Kyiv, is encircled and under attack from all sides" António Guterres, UN Secretary General Edited February 28, 2022 by Bulletpoint 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: I thought South Africans were made of sterner stuff. Do you let your wife get raped, because you're afraid to get a beating? NATO is not that weak and we still have the strongest country in the world behind us. Really now. Enough with this analogy. Noone can win a nuclear war. I fear Putin has signs of deteriorating mental health, I hope the personnel won't carry his orders, like the troops on the ground did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, arkhangelsk2021 said: Hong Kong, to be exact, but yes, China. "One-China" and all that, after all (unless, of course, it's to complain about the US failing to recognize HK as a separate customs zone to the WTO ) Hmm, yes. Never understood why Hong Kong was 'given back'. But we in the West won't forget the role China is playing right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 hours ago, John Kettler said: Falaise, Don't know where this originated, but it sure is helpful. In English it loosely reads Z alone, forces from Russia Z with square, forces from Crimea O forces from Belarus V marine infantry X Chechens A special forces Got Z right, Z with square partially right (was Russian) and partially wrong (Crimea fail), O right (conclusion by entry point and historical Soviet ID markings for operational strategic offensives); but had no idea and offered no opinions on V, X, and A. Regards, John Kettler yes excuse me, I forgot to retranslate and cite the source "Ukrainian Army General Staff" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Vet 0369 said: While I understand the sentiment, I don’t agree with your statement. Since many here like to use references to Iraq, I will say this, and please understand that my assessment is based on having been a Marine Infantryman. If I was commanding a column of AAVs (amtracks), and a car came speeding down the road towards us, and if the lead AAV veered off to stop the speeding vehicle, I’d probably recommend the lead AAV driver for a medal for fast thinking and selflessness to save the rest of the column from a possible VIED. I honestly respect the driver of the armored vehicle for the same thing. Now I don’t know for sure why the driver did what he did, but if it is as I assume, I respect his courage regardless of whether he is considered an enemy or not. in Iraq, we had snipers that would take out the driver of a vehicle that was approaching in a threatening manner. I would never depreciate the courage of ANY combatant based on his or her alignment. Fair enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, DesertFox said: Looks like another T-80U of 4th Guards Tank Division is getting torched. This isn't Belgium 1914, it's Finland 1939. Edited February 28, 2022 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Incredible. The Ukraininan spokesperson began his address at the UN emergency session by essentially pleading for mercy on behalf of the Russian soldiers. Before even mentioning his own country's military and civilian casualties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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