Aggravation

[kb6583]

I'm done with this infuriating game. I've broached this topic before and absolutely nothing has changed. I also do not need any replies. I had been previously playing 2nd Battle of Chaumont as the US and couldn't believe it when a platoon occupying good defensive buildings started moving right into the German line. As I discovered, that platoon had been under tank fire so it was correctly pointed out that if they were panicked or routed (which they were) then that would account for their erratic behavior. Ok - got it. So I'm now playing 1st Battle of Chaumont as the US and have deployed and hidden my infantry and machine guns in the large woods directly adjacent to Chaumont as I worked to deploy my tanks in support. I was also waiting for my arty and air support to become available. All well and good - until I heard rifle and machine gun fire! My deployed and hidden infantry and machine guns just started moving right into Chaumont!!!!! Mind you, they were in command with +1 and +2 leaders and NOT panicked or routed. This is just completely unacceptable!! I also do not care what so-called logical explanations there may be - my initial enjoyment of this game is flat out ruined.

[Warts 'n' all]

1st Round as US = Draw

2nd Round as US = Major Victory

If someone who has been dead for 400 years can achieve these results then I am sure you can.

Picks up dummy, rinses it off, and gives to your mummy to look after. 

[chuckdyke]

2 hours ago, kb6583 said:

I worked to deploy my tanks in support.

The tanks are the main force in the battle and the infantry support them. Find the approach in which a company of tanks in battle formation can enter Chaumont. WW2 was won by area fire and attrition. If you try tactics which work in CF2 or Black Sea, it doesn't end well. I saw that wood as an obstacle. It is not a hard battle to win. I can give some spoilers. The Germans are heavily outnumbered, the giveaway is when you kill the first outpost. They are Paratroopers among the best infantry they had. Tank losses don't affect the morale of infantry better lose a vehicle than a life. 

[Vacillator]

3 hours ago, kb6583 said:

I'm done with this infuriating game. I also do not need any replies.

What can I say?  I'm not done with it by any means, but that's a reply .

Not sure why your guys would just start moving into Chaumont unless you'd given them orders to do so?  But that's also a reply .

Anyway, just keep going and ask questions here, watch Youtube videos or whatever works.  It's well worth the learning curve in my opinion.

[Modernrocco]

Sounds like Captain Sobel is running that Circus

[Artkin]

6 hours ago, kb6583 said:

Mind you, they were in command with +1 and +2 leaders and NOT panicked or routed. 

Did you accidentally select a larger formation by double clicking? Maybe you assigned orders while you had other troops selected. Also, sometimes my lazy fingers will stay on shift (I use a mechanical keyboard) and sometimes I'll select multiple troops without realizing. 

You said your troops were not routed. So they must have moved for some reason. If it wasnt from enemy fire it was probably from user error. 

[Bearstronaut]

8 hours ago, Artkin said:

Did you accidentally select a larger formation by double clicking? Maybe you assigned orders while you had other troops selected. Also, sometimes my lazy fingers will stay on shift (I use a mechanical keyboard) and sometimes I'll select multiple troops without realizing. 

You said your troops were not routed. So they must have moved for some reason. If it wasnt from enemy fire it was probably from user error. 

That’s really the only possibility. The TAC AI doesn’t attack without orders.

[chuckdyke]

Clean the mouse or check the settings occasionally I give a double mouse click unintentionally. 

[MikeyD]

The combination of defensive position in building and under tank fire is concerning. The only building that's likely to successfully stand up to tank fire is a cathedral. Any troops short of fanatics are likely to eventually relocate, either to the far side of the building, or down a floor, or out the door.

[Anxel Torrente]

I'm puzzled about that so far no one has blamed the Russian, Chinese or North Korean hackers. They usually get the blame when things happen with computer systems.

[Codreanu]

I've never had units randomly charge at the enemy that weren't panicked or routing, but I have many times accidentally selected an entire formation and had them move where I didn't want them to that way just like Artkin said, so unless you have a video of it showing otherwise I'm guessing that was the issue.

[Hilts]

You might want to make sure you have the latest patch because before that, one's troops had the nasty habit of running towards the enemy when they came under fire! On the other hand, if you don't want any replies, why bother posting?

[Vacillator]

3 hours ago, Hilts said:

On the other hand, if you don't want any replies, why bother posting?

Fair point, I hinted at the same hoping for a reply.  Seems 'our' (BFC's) lovely game is not for everyone, but it is for sure keeping me occupied .

[z1812]

@ kb6583. You need patience to understand and enjoy CM. If you invest the time, you will come to understand what a truly remarkable game this is.

[chuckdyke]

1 hour ago, z1812 said:

You need patience to understand and enjoy CM.

 

[Ts4EVER]

Is it possible he still runs that outdated version of the game that got patched where units tended to run away from cover when even the slightest hint of enemy fire came in?

[Hilts]

On 8/13/2022 at 11:01 PM, Warts 'n' all said:

 

If someone who has been dead for 400 years ......

 

.....Talking of aggravation. Hey Warts, have you been to Ripley Castle in Yorkshire, again recently? You can still see bullet holes in the walls from the last time your rough bloody lot were up here!

[Warts 'n' all]

2 hours ago, Hilts said:

.....Talking of aggravation. Hey Warts, have you been to Ripley Castle in Yorkshire, again recently? You can still see bullet holes in the walls from the last time your rough bloody lot were up here!

Hahahahaha. You got old Noddle Head bang to rights.

Although in real life, the last time I was in Yorkshire was 2000 when an old girlfriend was taking me to the Lake District. 

[Vacillator]

28 minutes ago, Warts 'n' all said:

an old girlfriend

Out of curiosity, how old?  Not 400 years I hope?

[Hilts]

You may have forgotten ( I know your memory is not what it used to be) that you allegedly spent the night there after your shenanigans on the moor at Marston.

[kb6583]

Ok - I've calmed down now. I really appreciate your replies but I have to tell ya, none of the above applies. I moved each unit separately and gave them hide orders, which did happen. Everyone was safely ensconced - veteran, ok, rested, and in command with +1 and +2 leaders. In spite of all of your helpful comments NOTHING makes sense or fits. I literally have to constantly go back and check on them - only to repeatedly see them getting movement orders right into Chaumont and repeatedly having to cancel them and get everyone back into hiding. Throughout this game they stay put for awhile while I'm trying to get my tanks into position to assist them in assaulting Chaumont. Then after a bit, I check on them and there they are with movement orders - AGAIN - into Chaumont. HONEST - I'm not ordering anything! They're safely hidden and under no enemy fire whatsoever. Jeez, I just want them to stay put and hidden!

[Erwin]

Just to check... you are not giving orders to one unit and accidentally ordering its entire formation?

[Halmbarte]

55 minutes ago, kb6583 said:

Ok - I've calmed down now. I really appreciate your replies but I have to tell ya, none of the above applies. I moved each unit separately and gave them hide orders, which did happen. Everyone was safely ensconced - veteran, ok, rested, and in command with +1 and +2 leaders. In spite of all of your helpful comments NOTHING makes sense or fits. I literally have to constantly go back and check on them - only to repeatedly see them getting movement orders right into Chaumont and repeatedly having to cancel them and get everyone back into hiding. Throughout this game they stay put for awhile while I'm trying to get my tanks into position to assist them in assaulting Chaumont. Then after a bit, I check on them and there they are with movement orders - AGAIN - into Chaumont. HONEST - I'm not ordering anything! They're safely hidden and under no enemy fire whatsoever. Jeez, I just want them to stay put and hidden!

You have a save game file? 

H

[Warts 'n' all]

7 hours ago, Vacillator said:

Out of curiosity, how old?  Not 400 years I hope?

No, much younger, just don't tell Elizabeth.

[Warts 'n' all]

6 hours ago, Hilts said:

You may have forgotten ( I know your memory is not what it used to be) that you allegedly spent the night there after your shenanigans on the moor at Marston.

You are quite correct about the stay at the castle. But, I must take exception to your use of the word "shenanigans", I think that you meant "military masterpiece".