Huba Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 But I don't wanna.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeleban Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Special broadcast failed completely. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) Just returned from toiled and they show Putin. It seems it is from his meeting with ambassadors. But I am not sure. Still nothing important just usual BS. [UPDATE] yes it was from his meeting with ambassadors. Nothing important. Edited September 20, 2022 by Grigb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 47 minutes ago, DesertFox said: I´m all for this version... one the most romantic and heart warming scenes since Titanic movie. Though I´d prefer the Iranian or Taliban version of it. I mean publicly and thus sharing this entertainment with all those who are interested. Or reopening Rome´s coliseum with the Tsar fighting one his mighthy bears until conclusion? Or Running Man, in this case Hobbling Man though. Well, at least he´d start to "entertain" anybody. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asurob Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) I feel like we are inching towards either a battlefield nuke by the Russians or a coup and the ouster of Putin in the next week or so. It just feels like there is absolute chaos at the Kremlin right now and the idea that Putin will announce a full mobilization that would make him look bad (If things are going well comrade why do we need more troops?) given that this was a simple special military operation that has gone horribly wrong. I think we are closer to seeing tactical nukes used on the battlefield right now than anytime in my lifetime. Why am I wrong? Edited September 20, 2022 by asurob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 54 minutes ago, billbindc said: Yes. An under rated aspect of this entire conflict is that the US has to keep a broad coalition together with often quite different views of the war...especially in terms of escalation and where that intersects with material support. The easiest way to manage it is to use each Russian escalation as an opportunity to broaden and heighten engagement. This event will continue that trend. But...now Putin is practically two hours late for his pre-recorded speech. Hmmm... Putin's speech being delayed "To be shown bright and early in Russia's Far East". It is now just shy of 8am in the Russian Far East. This looks like some sort of failure of political mobilization at least in the short run. A faltering political mobilization plus a faltering economy is precisely how to get a faltering 1917 situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, Grigb said: I got weird idea - what if Putin wanted to declare the start of a new RU offensive? Mashkovets said today: But something went wrong... Saying "Russian planned something" and "something went wrong" is redundant My time today is overbooked already, but I've been checking in regularly today to see what's going on. Putin announcing speaking to the public, outside of a schedule event, is rare these days. Having Shoigu to be a part of it is even more significant. Announcing and cancelling without explanation is a big deal. Likely a huge deal. We just don't know why or the degree of importance. The smart money is on it being very bad for Putin specifically. AFAIK the last time Shoigu made any sort of announcement was in July when he said we should all quake in our boots because Russia was launching an offensive. Seems likely that is why he was on deck for this announcement. But like Grigb suggested, something went wrong. Because we haven't seen any reports of HIMARS hitting assembly points, so maybe there was a mutiny or threat of one significant enough to screw up plans? Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: so maybe there was a mutiny or threat of one significant enough to screw up plans? the google search "how to leave russia" certainly started making waves exactly at the time of supposed streaming of a prerecorded putin's speech 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, asurob said: I feel like we are inching towards either a battlefield nuke by the Russians or a coup and the ouster of Putin in the next week or so. It just feels like there is absolute chaos at the Kremlin right now and the idea that Putin will announce a full mobilization that would make him look bad (If things are going well comrade why do we need more troops?) given that this was a simple special military operation that has gone horribly wrong. I think we are closer to seeing tactical nukes used on the battlefield right now than anytime in my lifetime. Why am I wrong? I wish I could give you a good reason for why you're wrong, but all arguments I've seen against Putin using nukes seem to rest on "it basically doesn't make any sense militarily" or "it wouldn't be rational" or "it would isolate Russia". But I don't think it was rational to start this war in the first place, so that's not much comfort. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) Last night UKR forces hit enemy deployment in Alchevsk, Luhansk oblast. In yellow circle you can see bunk beds, so this is obvous sign, that barrack was in this building (before 2014 here was High School of Business) Locals reported about loud explosions and many cars of emergency services, likely enough number of "200" and "300" Edited September 20, 2022 by Haiduk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) A change of plans reportedly, he intends to address the whole nation while half it's not sleeping: Ooo, and that's very interesting, if true: Edited September 20, 2022 by Huba 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Huba said: A change of plans reportedly, he intends to address the whole nation while half it's not sleeping: Odd thing that the president of Russia only remembers in the last moment that Russia is big and spans many time zones. Really odd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) Locals wrote about several loud explosions in Svatove, reportedly ammo dump was hit. Edited September 20, 2022 by Haiduk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: Odd thing that the president of Russia only remembers in the last moment that Russia is big and spans many time zones. Really odd. If you think that the speech was delayed from 80% of the population for the other 20%, then boy do I have a war in Ukraine so sell you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, Huba said: A change of plans reportedly, he intends to address the whole nation while half it's not sleeping: Well, I guess we know who is getting mobilized first. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 52 minutes ago, asurob said: I feel like we are inching towards either a battlefield nuke by the Russians or a coup and the ouster of Putin in the next week or so. It just feels like there is absolute chaos at the Kremlin right now and the idea that Putin will announce a full mobilization that would make him look bad (If things are going well comrade why do we need more troops?) given that this was a simple special military operation that has gone horribly wrong. I think we are closer to seeing tactical nukes used on the battlefield right now than anytime in my lifetime. Why am I wrong? No one wants to die in a nuclear war, and using a nuke raises that option extremely high that you will die, and certainly raises it high for those ordering or carrying out those orders to launch a nuke, and all indications point to this SMO in Ukraine being quite low stakes. Sure, maybe the SMO fails and Putin is ordered to be retired. But Putin's retirement is not Russia's retirement. The USSR may have been afraid of being nuked by the West, but the removal of Russian Air Defense units from St. Petersburg and near Finland, not to mention the draining of military assets facing the West for the SMO indicates Moscow has no fear of Western escalation over Ukraine turning into a active conflict between Russia and the West. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, billbindc said: If you think that the speech was delayed from 80% of the population for the other 20%, then boy do I have a war in Ukraine so sell you. If you think I believe anything that that comes out of the Kremlin, then I have a slightly moist Russian naval asset to sell you. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSBoxer Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: If you think I believe anything that that comes out of the Kremlin, then I have a slightly moist Russian naval asset to sell you. Sorry, moderately damp is my walk away point 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Repaired section of Nova Kahovka bridge Not confirmed yet, but as if Nova Kakhovka got several HIMARSes at least 4 hours ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undaunted Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Huba said: A change of plans reportedly, he intends to address the whole nation while half it's not sleeping: Ooo, and that's very interesting, if true: Well, easier to crack down on protests during the day. Less drunk people too. Edited September 20, 2022 by Undaunted 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 More rumors about Chechnya. Assuming it's true, is it a grass root event, or Kadyrov looking for excuse not to participate in collective suicide? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asurob Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 43 minutes ago, FancyCat said: No one wants to die in a nuclear war, and using a nuke raises that option extremely high that you will die, and certainly raises it high for those ordering or carrying out those orders to launch a nuke, and all indications point to this SMO in Ukraine being quite low stakes. Sure, maybe the SMO fails and Putin is ordered to be retired. But Putin's retirement is not Russia's retirement. The USSR may have been afraid of being nuked by the West, but the removal of Russian Air Defense units from St. Petersburg and near Finland, not to mention the draining of military assets facing the West for the SMO indicates Moscow has no fear of Western escalation over Ukraine turning into a active conflict between Russia and the West. So then Putin is closer to the window then we suspect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, asurob said: So then Putin is closer to the window then we suspect? Perhaps this show was to check how audience would react to the prospect of mobilization, and that's all. Or it is the window hypothesis: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Butschi said: Moff by Dutch children. Sleeve is the original meaning probably of their uniform. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BletchleyGeek Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bulletpoint said: Odd thing that the president of Russia only remembers in the last moment that Russia is big and spans many time zones. Really odd. Putin's last big speech - announcing the invasion of Ukraine - was timed to overlap with the address of the Russian ambassador to the UN security council. So they can be aware of time zones when it suits them. I am wondering what will the speech be about, and if it is being - as I write this - tweaked to catch up with military and diplomatic developments. Edited September 20, 2022 by BletchleyGeek 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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