kraze Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, acrashb said: Does that make Zelensky into Paul Atreides? Spoiler: it's more fitting than you think, just in reverse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, hcrof said: Thanks for the clarification, but I thought the regular units were in the south around izium and they mostly pulled out once the breakthrough happened north of them? Edit: so the actual fighting was mobiks, left behind Rosgvardiya and rear echelon troops? I've written about two days ago about Russian forces in Balakliya area, where initial strike took place - 79th MRR of 18th MRD, 126th Rosgvardiya regiment, two detachments of SOBR, OMON, battalions of LPR mobiks and 60th BARS battalion 144th MRD and some airborne unit elements were in Shevchenkove area 4th, 2nd divisions, 47th division elements - Balakliya - Izium area Edited September 10, 2022 by Haiduk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcrof Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Haiduk said: 8 minutes ago, Haiduk said: I've written about two days ago about Russian forces in Balakliya area, where initial strike took place - 79th MRR of 18th MRD, 126th Rosgvardiya regiment, two detachments of SOBR, OMON, battalions of LPR mobiks and 60th BARS battalion Maybe I'm misunderstanding but it sounds like we agree? I thought that the 79th MRR pulled back out of the line and the rest of that list were not capable of stopping the UA advance because they had few heavy weapons and could not coordinate with artillery? At that point the UA broke through and a few days later the regular troops around izium largely pulled out, leaving a lot of equipment behind them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Still waiting to see the first captured Buk-M3 to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, hcrof said: Maybe I'm misunderstanding but it sounds like we agree? I thought that the 79th MRR pulled back out of the line and the rest of that list were not capable of stopping the UA advance because they had few heavy weapons and could not coordinate with artillery? At that point the UA broke through and a few days later the regular troops around izium largely pulled out, leaving a lot of equipment behind them. There was enough videos of destroyed Russian armor and captured soldiers from Kaliningrad (79th regiment/18th MRD home), also was a video about some Caucasian unit evacuates own wounded (they speak on some Caucasian language). There was writing this is Kadyrov troops, but there are no any Chechen units there, only 126th regiment from Ingushetiya, so I suppose that were 126th regiment wounded. So, not all had time to back out and were engaged by UKR forces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MonkeyKing Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 UKR claims first RU pocket south of Izum closed (around 3 PM) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, Grigb said: UKR claims first RU pocket south of Izum closed (around 3 PM) OK, I'm running to the liquor store! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Huba said: OK, I'm running to the liquor store! I do not thing it is gonna be big thing - I believe there are mostly those who did not get the message in time. Still nice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I wonder if it was 92 OMBr and their T-64s. Would be a great swan song for the T-64. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinkin Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, IanL said: There is no leash dude. The west armed and trained the Ukraine army and then stood back and watched. So you expect Ukraine to violate the agreed boundaries given them in exchange for the aid meaning they will cross into Russia in pursuit then pull back? Have not heard that one. Edited September 10, 2022 by kevinkin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I came down to computer today to see 181 posts overnight. My oh my what a busy day in Ukraine. 3000 sq km, major cities, main supply hub. RU 'regrouping' forces -- into POW camps. The ammo & vehicle haul is going to be insane. I love the smell of collapse in morning. Smells like victory. Congratulations to all those in Ukraine. And congrats to all those in surrounding countries who would've been in Putin's sights if he had prevailed in Ukraine. It's not over, a long way to go, but this is what we've all been dreaming about. Just last week famous US TV vatnik lectured that Russian was winning, obviously. He's been a Putin mouthpiece since the beginning. I wonder what he'll be saying now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cederic Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 hours ago, riptides said: quell the civilian exodus That would be utterly insane. Forcibly evicting a civilian population is a UN definition of genocide. Managing a highly pro-Russian civilian population (e.g. Crimea with all its Russian occupiers) is a miserable nightmare. Letting pro-Russian civilians peaceably return to Russia before you even regain administrative control of the areas in which they live? It's an utter no-brainer. Let them flee! Allow them to return to the country to which their heart belongs. I can't see a downside either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, The_Capt said: So I am not going to reopen the "tanks are dead...no they are not" debate...please gawd no. However, is it just me or do light forces seem to be leading on this whole thing again? I am sure there has been some heavy action but we still are not seeing big armor from the UA - unless I am missing something? I met the opinion of some western military analyst in twitter (alas can't find now) that this UKR offensive puts an end to discussion about either need tanks and armored vehciled in modern warfare or not, because UKR success was caused by PROPER WELL PLANNED using of armored spears. Of course, as I said mech. units usage was properly combined with mobile recon/AT groups on pick-ups and SOF infiltration I just post here some examples of UKR armor in this operation: Likely air-assault unit, riding on BTR-80s Flag over Kupiansk raised soldiers of 1st mech.battalion of 92nd mech.brigade (writings on the flag) Tanks of some air-assault/airborne brigade (80th or 25th) UKR air-assault unit on BTR-3DA Entering to Balakliya - BTR-4 and BMP-1 BTR-4 fires at the enemy UKR Buk M1 is following advancing troops Edited September 10, 2022 by Haiduk 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cederic said: That would be utterly insane. Forcibly evicting a civilian population is a UN definition of genocide. Managing a highly pro-Russian civilian population (e.g. Crimea with all its Russian occupiers) is a miserable nightmare. Letting pro-Russian civilians peaceably return to Russia before you even regain administrative control of the areas in which they live? It's an utter no-brainer. Let them flee! Allow them to return to the country to which their heart belongs. I can't see a downside either. It's true. My wish has been to see all pro-russian people go home, to their Best Country and stop ruining Ukraine - and it's now coming to be true absolutely voluntarily. It's pure perfection. Let them all go. Live in the land of hypersound nukes and vodka. And never come back. Edited September 10, 2022 by kraze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) wake up to 130+ posts. holy crap. And a shout out to Vovchansk! That was the town I suggested for targeting way way back at beginning of Russian Izyum offensive. Okay I was totally wrong about everything else but I did name one town correct! Too early to open wine, but my coffee tastes phenomenally great this morning. So the Russian army has been shattered, the 3rd string AK is getting scattered in penny packets uselessly. Russia has no other serious reserves to commit so the only option it to strip other areas. I don't expect general mud to force a complete halt in UKR operations. There are just too many gaps now for Russia and those light forces can still move. So now can we talk about a REAL operational pause? What are thoughts on the ability of UA logistical system to maintain this thrust or is it time for a different sector of the front to get hit? Edited September 10, 2022 by sburke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cederic Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Haiduk said: cohered Oh ffs. A Ukrainian just taught me a new word in English. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Didn't hear most of it myself, but VERY interesting: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Haiduk said: I met the opinion of some western military analyst in twitter (alas can't find now) that this UKR offensive puts an end to discussion about either need tanks and armored vehciled in modern warfare or not, because UKR success was caused by PROPER WELL PLANNED using of armored spears. Of course, as I said mech. units usage was properly combined with mobile recon/AT groups on pick-ups and SOF infiltration I just post here some examples of UKR armor in this operation: Likely air-assault unit, riding on BTR-80s Flag over Kupiansk raised soldiers of 1st mech.battalion of 92nd mech.brigade (writings on the flag) Tanks of some air-assault/airborne brigade (80th or 25th) UKR air-assault unit on BTR-3DA Entering to Balakliya - BTR-4 and BMP-1 BTR-4 fires at the enemy UKR Buk M1 is following advancing troops I agree. The ZSU have been very consistent in reporting that tanks have been essential in every phase of the war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinkin Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 AP Reporting: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-world-news-kharkiv-e06b2aa723e826ed4105b5f32827f577 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, billbindc said: I would imagine Kofman is getting some pretty dank looks around town these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maquisard manqué Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cederic said: That would be utterly insane. Forcibly evicting a civilian population is a UN definition of genocide. Managing a highly pro-Russian civilian population (e.g. Crimea with all its Russian occupiers) is a miserable nightmare. Letting pro-Russian civilians peaceably return to Russia before you even regain administrative control of the areas in which they live? It's an utter no-brainer. Let them flee! Allow them to return to the country to which their heart belongs. I can't see a downside either. They may not see much difference between being evicted or moving because they are afraid of reprisals. They’ll certainly think they had no choice but to leave. That can look like forced migration, arguably is, and will get stretched to genocide too. Another sad part of the human tragedy of this stupid war, and another reminder of why nationalism is so toxic to peace and prosperity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Moscow Professor Warns of Rising Social Tensions Without Victory Soon (msn.com) Quote In a video posted to Twitter by Julia Davis, a reporter for the Daily Beast and creator of the Russian Media Monitor, Moscow State University professor Vitaly Tretyakov is seen discussing the ongoing war with Ukraine and said that some Russian citizens may soon ask, "Where is our victory?" "Not everyone realizes the paradox of this situation, there is an enormous confidence in our victory, but in response there should be real achievements, when you're certain that we have to win, when you're certain that our pursuit is righteous," Tretyakov said in the video, according to a translation. "Social tensions could rise up, not because of the masses opposing the military operation, but because they might ask why isn't it more active. Where is our victory? Where is the advancement?" Don't hold your breath.. oh wait yes, please hold your breath! Put a plastic bag over your heads it'll help! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Cederic said: Oh ffs. A Ukrainian just taught me a new word in English. Maybe I should use other word, but I meant a result of "unit combat cohesion" process ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cederic Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Huba said: Sorry, naive question: Where have they gone? I'm kind of assuming that they aren't all heading for Russia, and that's a lot of refugees. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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