Artkin Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) I'd be down to play some US+ROK vs NKA/PLA. How sick would that be as the opener for CMx3? Edited November 29, 2021 by Artkin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Probus said: What are these Self Propelled Guns? Danas (or maybe Zuzanas) by the look of em: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152mm_SpGH_DANA Edited November 29, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The single front window and longer turret makes me think Zuzana-2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Good call, that's the one.....The original Dana would be very cool in CM:CW, it's spot on for the period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Dragging ourselves back to the original subject, here's War On The Rocks' take on the idea (from US Army perspective): https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/the-uncomfortable-reality-of-the-u-s-armys-role-in-a-war-over-taiwan/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 More from 'War On The Rocks' discussing the growth in Chinese military power: https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/the-malacca-dilemma-growing-chinese-military-power/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) Bump, in light of discussion over in Ukraine gigathread. Also, some details on the planned PLA 'exercises' https://chinapower.csis.org/tracking-the-fourth-taiwan-strait-crisis/ Edited August 7, 2022 by LongLeftFlank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 There's a US Navy tracking ship coming down here now: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/chinese-aircraft-ships-and-drones-08072022032215.html The PLA have announced they're going to continue exercises in the Yellow Sea after finishing up around Taiwan, which appears to be a flex at South Korea and perhaps Japan. It's pretty clear they aim to control all the seas in East Asia and create some kind of exclusive buffer zone in the western Pacific. I wonder if the US or any other quad navies will continue FONOPs in the South China Sea? I fear the latest exercises are designed to discourage any future FONOPs in the Taiwan strait at least. Meanwhile AP is reporting that ROCA will be doing live fire drills next week: https://apnews.com/article/taiwan-world-news-china-beijing-nancy-pelosi-b42328e264f779a5ef180ca589f84114 Here's a propaganda video from the Taiwan ministry of defense for father's day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) dupe Edited August 7, 2022 by alison dupe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewood1 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 PLAAF and RoC have had some pretty substantial air battles over the last 70 years. All types of Migs mixing it up with F-86s, F-104s, etc. There have been naval clashes, artillery duels, etc. While not Gulf War scale, RoC has held its own and managed to use that experience to build a better military. I think any invasion would play out similar to Russia-Ukraine. China would take big losses just crossing the sea. China would eventually win if the west doesn't intervene, but it would wreck both economies beyond short-term recovery. I'll also go back to my standby statement...China needs the West more than we need them. They can't feed themselves. And will likely not be self-sufficient in energy in the short-term. Add to that that Taiwan investment in China is fairly substantial by itself. Taiwan is connected to a very large portion of the world's semicon production, but not its design. That is still the US and the EU. You can play a lot of this out in Command: Modern Operations. There are a bunch of scenarios built around it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 17 hours ago, Thewood1 said: PLAAF and RoC have had some pretty substantial air battles over the last 70 years. All types of Migs mixing it up with F-86s, F-104s, etc. There have been naval clashes, artillery duels, etc. While not Gulf War scale, RoC has held its own and managed to use that experience to build a better military. I think any invasion would play out similar to Russia-Ukraine. China would take big losses just crossing the sea. China would eventually win if the west doesn't intervene, but it would wreck both economies beyond short-term recovery. I'll also go back to my standby statement...China needs the West more than we need them. They can't feed themselves. And will likely not be self-sufficient in energy in the short-term. Add to that that Taiwan investment in China is fairly substantial by itself. Taiwan is connected to a very large portion of the world's semicon production, but not its design. That is still the US and the EU. You can play a lot of this out in Command: Modern Operations. There are a bunch of scenarios built around it. Good post. Completely agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Just reposting the links @cesmonkey shared on the Ukraine thread over here so that we have a central place to keep track of what's happening and what may happen around Taiwan. 1 hour ago, cesmonkey said: Somewhat off-topic, but then, a lot of things on this thread are ... Several newspapers reported on recent wargames conducted by CSIS in Washington D.C. on what might happen in an invasion of Taiwan by China. Below is a link to one of the articles that is not behind a pay wall: What-if war game maps huge toll of a future US-China war over Taiwanhttps://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2022/08/11/2003783337https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/08/china-taiwan-tensions-flare-us-faces-shrinking-window-deter-conflict/375514/https://breakingdefense.com/2022/08/a-bloody-mess-with-terrible-loss-of-life-how-a-china-us-conflict-over-taiwan-could-play-out/ Also it's worth noting that the CSIS link @LongLeftFlank posted (and then I mistakenly reposted in a dupe) is a living breathing page that has been updated with new data several times over the past week or so. Here it is again: https://chinapower.csis.org/tracking-the-fourth-taiwan-strait-crisis/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Interesting site. Thanks... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 No time to read this right now, but looks interesting..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 On 8/8/2022 at 6:04 PM, Vergeltungswaffe said: Good post. Completely agree. China doesn't need to invade Taiwan, just blockade it. Obviously such actions will have significant consequences for China as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronMcDonald Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 A good read at the big-hands-small-map level. The Return of Great Power War - Scenarios of Systemic Conflict Between the United States and China 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 While a work of fiction, "2034 - A novel of the next World War" is worryingly prescient re what is going on (altho' perhaps set 10 years too far in the future). The only big difference is that the book posits that China would make the first move, not Russia. Easy and quick to to read... recommended. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just noticed Perun is finally starting a series on China: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) On 8/28/2022 at 1:33 AM, alison said: Just noticed Perun is finally starting a series on China: Excellent, many thanks! China is not at the end of its modernisation drive: it's in the middle. ...Lack of recent warfighting experience and the fact that China's best and brightest (with exceptions) do NOT choose a military career (in spite of recent PLA pay rises noted by Perun toward the end) are two key open questions of course. Dieu n’est pas pour les gros bataillons, mais pour ceux qui tirent le mieux Edited August 30, 2022 by LongLeftFlank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) https://warontherocks.com/2022/09/not-so-fast-insights-from-a-1944-war-help-explain-why-invading-taiwan-is-a-costly-gamble/ This piece is not as strong as it could be, as it's in far too much hurry to draw parallels to today and doesn't give nearly enough meat on the CAUSEWAY plan, which included taking the mainland port of Amoy (Xiamen) as well as southern (at least) Formosa. The actual 1944 study is available here. Still: Planners concluded that the geography made it necessary to establish a lodgment on the southern tip of the island... The staff estimated it would take over 90 days just to build up enough combat power [to advance].... The West Coast shoreline is mostly non-trafficable soil. Mudflats and sand bars render landings impractical except at [towns]. One [III] amphibous corps of two Marine divisions and one infantry division and one [XXIV] Army corps of three infantry divisions, capture, occupy, defend and develop the western coastal plain of FORMOSA as far north as the SOBUNEKKEI RIVER. Lagoons and marshy areas inland constitute an obstacle to advance from these beaches. Short form: even taking into account the greatly modernised infrastructure of Taiwan today, a force moving south to north along the populated western plain faces an endless series of natural barriers: streams and paddies and agricultural ponds. These same streams create deep defiles in the mountains, making north-south advance along the interior 'spine' even harder. Near impossible for large units, in fact. A PLA advance up from Kaohsiung to Taipei would be a slow, tough slog. There is no mechanised 'breakout' to be had from a beachhead, even assuming one was secured and supplied. Edited September 11, 2022 by LongLeftFlank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LongLeftFlank Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 22 hours ago, nunna18931226 said: Well, I am simultaneously enlightened and swept away by the fantastic intellectual force of your argument. Not to mention the exhaustive documentation. Enjoy your visit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/sayonara-okinawa-us-is-sending-its-f-15s-home/ Meanwhile, the US Air Force has announced it will support Kadena with rotational squadrons of fighter aircraft. The first will be F-22s coming to Kadena from Alaska; they will stay at Kadena for six months. https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/us-taiwan-arms-production-plan-seeks-to-deter-china/ This May, Taiwan announced a years-long delay for the delivery of 40 US M109A6 Paladin self-propelled howitzers, pushing back the delivery date from 2023 to 2026. Apart from those big guns, in the same month, the Taiwan Defense Ministry also announced that the US may delay a shipment of Stinger man-portable anti-aircraft missiles until 2026. ...the price for Taiwan’s first batch of 11 HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS), which have been used with devastating effect in Ukraine, has increased by US$12.5 million, with delivery starting in 2024. The first batch of 11 HIMARS launchers was initially priced at $300.9 million but the price tag has since bulged to $313.3 million Edited November 5, 2022 by LongLeftFlank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAssassin26 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I haven't been following this thread really, but is this being worked on or we just discussing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, ViperAssassin26 said: I haven't been following this thread really, but is this being worked on or we just discussing? Just a discussion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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