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Back on topic. Dr Birx the Corona Virus National Advisor just made a very progressive statement (interview with Dr Oz just now). They have a rapid RNA Antibody test, and in less than a month they estimate testing could begin in mass. The goal is to test the entire population of the USA in a relatively short period of time. Why is this so important, its not a cure? Well, if you have the antibodies for the virus, perhaps through asymptomatic exposure, or maybe you were sick and recovered, whatever the reason, the goal is to get these people cleared and back to work in essential services. 

This is interesting, and I could see it coming to that where the immune keep the wheels turning and the susceptible stay isolated.

 

 

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I've got an idea.  Let's NOT trust scientists & doctors who ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. Let's trust Fox news, who've done a stellar job of brainwashing people into being very unsafe

JFC Kettler could you just once not spread your conspiracy bull**** all over the place.  Goddamn man.

Here are some shocking news from the UK. Perhaps @Warts 'n' all can confirm:

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5 hours ago, Holien said:

 

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So let's try and keep this on track and about Covid. We could disappear down a deep dark rabbit hole on the difference between America and China...

 

😷 And down the hole we go....

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On 3/31/2020 at 11:05 PM, Wicky said:

https://navylive.dodlive.mil/2020/03/30/covid-19-navy-update-cno-and-mcpon-message-to-the-fleet/

MCPON: This past week, we’ve seen a rise in numbers who have tested positive for the coronavirus throughout the Fleet. We continue to take this threat very seriously and are working aggressively to keep Sailors healthy, as well as to prevent further spread of the virus. 

US Navy not just the MSM seem to recognise somethings up... a bit more serious than man-flu

Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy

“This will require a political solution but it is the right thing to do,” Crozier wrote. “We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors.”

 

That Captain has now been sacked...

"He exercised extremely poor judgement" said Acting US Navy Secretary Thomas Modly."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52130552

Hmmm someone trying to protect his crew and hung out to dry...

Governments the world over try to keep things quiet...

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Thankfully Guam took the Carrier in, unlike in Florida which is prevaricating about taking infected cruise ships in because of foreigners on board (I believe there are also US citizens aboard) - similar attitute that T had a while back with cruise ships off California upseting his 'numbers'.

Crozier by going to the press showed a certain president up and like he wants state governors to be meak & 'appreciative', spose the same applies to a stricken vessel.

Crazy thing at yesterdays presser I think it was Pence claiming that crews in submarines and tanks were adhering to 'social distancing' rules.

Mind boggling

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That train incident is truly crazy, lots of nutters the world over. Luckily the tracks did not go far enough and risk management worked as they put in place measures in case train could not stop...

Simple work out the risk and then prepare or think through what you can do to mitigate the risk...

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Let's hope the carrier captain gets some support for his courageous decision.

I see Russia and China are coming to the rescue of the west...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52137908

Nik Mond interesting to see who gets the Antibody test up and running 1st.

I am seeing some concerns that it might have negative consequences if not carefully rolled out. I will try and get article link when I can.

But the gist is that it will encourage people back on to streets too early and will create a 2 tier system which could cause social problems. I.e worker A is allowed back because he has had it, so worker B has incentive to get the virus to be allowed back to work to earn a living. 

Needs some thought. Don't disagree that we need scientifically to know the extent of the spread but maybe not give the public the knowledge? 

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'Captain Crozier! Captain Crozier!' Capt. Brett Crozier, then-commanding officer of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt addresses the crew during an all-hands call in the ship’s hangar bay March 3, 2020. Crozier was relieved of command after his letter that warned sailors could die from the coronavirus outbreak aboard the carrier was leaked to the media. 'Captain Crozier! Captain Crozier!': Videos show sailors sending off ousted USS Roosevelt commander with cheers

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10 minutes ago, Wicky said:

'Captain Crozier! Captain Crozier!' Capt. Brett Crozier, then-commanding officer of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt addresses the crew during an all-hands call in the ship’s hangar bay March 3, 2020. Crozier was relieved of command after his letter that warned sailors could die from the coronavirus outbreak aboard the carrier was leaked to the media. 'Captain Crozier! Captain Crozier!': Videos show sailors sending off ousted USS Roosevelt commander with cheers

Nice find...

Let's hope that is making the rounds in America,  he seems to have earned the respect of his crew if not the senior leadership above him.

 

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40 minutes ago, nik mond said:

Canadian Government now has access to Google's Location History for its Citizens

As a result of Covid-19, the gov will use this to track congregating behavior trends. Here and now it seems like an innovative idea. But looking ahead I can't help but wonder if this is one entrance to the Orwellian rabbit hole.

This has made UK headlines and shows the same concerns about Chinese government use of data and even Russian government surveillance. If the people can be persuaded that it is a benefit then it will be accepted. 

I personally am very wary as you can't always trust any government...

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The situation in India seems like it has the potential to get really bad.  The virus is now in Dharavi.  Those poor people.  I would suspect it is impossible to do the "social distancing " thing in the below described conditions.     

As reported by CNN: The Dharavi slum, in the Indian financial capital of Mumbai.  Home to around 1 million people, Dharavi slum has a population density of about 280,000 people per square kilometer.  On Thursday, a 52-year-old sweeper in Dharavi tested positive for coronavirus.

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1 hour ago, MOS:96B2P said:

The situation in India seems like it has the potential to get really bad.  The virus is now in Dharavi.  Those poor people.  I would suspect it is impossible to do the "social distancing " thing in the below described conditions.     

As reported by CNN: The Dharavi slum, in the Indian financial capital of Mumbai.  Home to around 1 million people, Dharavi slum has a population density of about 280,000 people per square kilometer.  On Thursday, a 52-year-old sweeper in Dharavi tested positive for coronavirus.

 yeah that is gonna be bad. Mortality rates escalate badly for those with health conditions.  Take a look at the numbers for Louisiana compared to NY etc.

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Wonder if the case was suspected before the medics flew out or they took it with them (without going into quarantine beforehand)??


4th April - Soldier tests positive in Falkland Islands' first case

The first case of coronavirus has been reported in the Falkland Islands, a remote British territory.

A soldier who tested positive is in a stable condition in hospital, says the Commander of the British Forces South Atlantic Islands, Brigadier Nick Sawyer.

Six army medics had already been deployed there with additional supplies of medicine, oxygen and personal protective equipment.

Residents in the Falkland Islands have been following the same social distancing measures as the rest of the UK.

 

1st April - Colchester soldiers jet out to Falklands to help fight coronavirus

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/18350555.colchester-soldiers-jet-falklands-help-fight-coronavirus/

“I did an NHS shift at Homerton Hospital on Friday, and there was a message on my phone when I finished on Saturday morning saying I was going to the Falklands."

 

3rd April - ’It’s like a major incident every day’: 32 die of coronavirus at Homerton Hospital and 266 serious cases in City and Hackney

The impact of coronavirus on Homerton Hospital on staff has been like “having a major incident every day for the last two weeks” and presents a “high stress situation day-in day-out” for its frontline staff.

https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/32-die-of-coronavirus-at-homerton-hospital-1-6593561

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2 hours ago, Holien said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358

So the world over has nutters...

You would think with a bit of education they would know better. 

As for the poorer countries and slums let's hope their immune systems are better equipped than us western softies..

They certainly are screwed with lack of ventilators. 

Not here. Slums have significant rates of TB and HIV.  Apparently there are plans for mass evacuations of people from the townships.

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On a TB note, with caveats:

Tuberculosis vaccine ‘potential game-changer’ in Covid-19 fight

A study indicating that the BCG vaccine for tuberculosis could help to protect against Covid-19 is “a potential game-changer” in global efforts to curb the pandemic, according to a leading immunologist.

The research indicating that countries whose populations have high levels of BCG vaccination had significantly fewer Covid-19 deaths was the most significant development since the virus has spread, said Prof Luke O’Neill, who has specialised in study of the vaccine at Trinity College Dublin.

Explainer: How an old tuberculosis vaccine might help fight the new coronavirus

(Reuters) - There is no vaccine against the novel coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2, that is spreading rapidly around the world. But scientists in several countries are testing a century-old tuberculosis (TB) vaccine to see if it might boost the immune system to reduce respiratory symptoms in people who get new coronavirus infections.

Unlike other vaccines, the BCG vaccine may also boost the innate immune system, first-line defenses that keep a variety of pathogens from entering the body or from establishing an infection. One study in Guinea-Bissau found 50% lower mortality rates in children vaccinated with BCG than in kids who did not get this vaccine. That is a much bigger drop in deaths than could be explained by a reduction in TB cases. Some studies have found similar reductions in respiratory infections among teens and the elderly.

WHAT SCIENTISTS DO NOT KNOW

Scientists do not have data yet on the effect of BCG vaccination on coronaviruses in general or SARS-CoV-2 in particular.

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1 hour ago, AlanSA said:

Not here. Slums have significant rates of TB and HIV.  Apparently there are plans for mass evacuations of people from the townships.

Not sure how they will mass evacuate? Where will they house them?  I guess plenty of empty hotels and offices?

What a cluster uck....

How is SA managing we don't get any insight here on your situation? 

 

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52 minutes ago, Holien said:

Not sure how they will mass evacuate? Where will they house them?  I guess plenty of empty hotels and offices?

What a cluster uck....

How is SA managing we don't get any insight here on your situation? 

 

Well as of right now more people have been killed by cops enforcing the lockdown than there are reported deaths from Covid19. Pretty brutal out in the informal areas. Here in suburbia it's been okay. I haven't left the house in 8 days. Added bonus of the economic shutdown means less strain on power generation so respite from blackouts.

Not sure. Bus them out. All I've read is mention of government owned land where I presume they'll be set up with nothing more than tents.

Once this thing really kicks off the public health system will fold, it barely functions as is.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, AlanSA said:

 

Well as of right now more people have been killed by cops enforcing the lockdown than there are victims of Covid19. Pretty brutal out in the informal areas. Here in suburbia it's been okay. I haven't left the house in 8 days. Added bonus of the economic shutdown means less strain on power generation so respite from blackouts.

Not sure. Bus them out. All I've read is mention of government owned land where I presume they'll be set up with nothing more than tents.

Once this thing really kicks off the public health system will fold, it barely functions as is.

 

 

 

Let's hope it does not kick off there. Maybe the lock down for SA got ahead of the curve and you did not have too many carriers spreading it. 

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Sburke, Wicky, Holien,

I read your replies. If you say so.

Either way this potato is too hot to handle.  So I will withdraw, until retrospective times, which I hope will come soon.

Good luck.

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31 minutes ago, Kevin2k said:

Sburke, Wicky, Holien,

I read your replies. If you say so.

Either way this potato is too hot to handle.  So I will withdraw, until retrospective times, which I hope will come soon.

Good luck.

No need to back out - I agree there are economic and issues of freedom related to this crisis - As well as the medical priority of getting on top of the problem.  We as individuals in our respective countries are like patients addmited into hospital where the patient is in another role to one normally.  Heck before technically I could take obs, blood pressure etc touch the patient I had to get their verbal consent / sumilar in priciple to as when you sign consent for invasive surgery. So there's a surrender of liberties when admitted or a new balance struck esp so for quarantined patients - you try not to encorouge them to wander off the ward and thankfully never had one try to self-discharge.  Patient safety is the priority. One time in the hospital at night we had a person (druggy?) enter the hospital and had to run around after him to catch him and hand him over the polce, taking us away from the patients in our care.  Like the case of the coronavirus denier making a nuisance of himself wandering about the hospital I linked to earlier.

In this crisis politicians are having to balance the economy / law & order and keep things running at a basic survival level which the consequences will be seen once measures ease off.   Problem is with weeks without money many folk will be desperate and I expect crime to rise - heck noticed already only after a fortnight a local rise in business burglaries already - after 3 or so months... goodness knows.

 

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