IronCat60 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Here is a great link to a page that has interesting information and a myriad of other links on all kinds of WW2 information. http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/09/05/common-myths-about-wwii/ Enjoy Mech.Gato 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Very interesting. Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 The very first one made me lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varnp Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Many of these points lack citations. -Pv- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varnp Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/world-war-ii-history/videos/sherman-tank -Pv- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varnp Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 More: http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php -Pv- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 The very first one made me lol +1 Couple others too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaeger Jonzo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Thought some if it was cobblers. 'Other than 1st,2nd & 3rd SS, the other divisions were merely 'volksturm' divisions...really? Tell that to the Viking division on the Eastern front or the 12th HJ in Normandy! Some of the other statements were dubious too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper117 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Hmm, interesting stuff, but as others have stated, some doubtful opinions there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 This guy goes to great lengths to debunk the alleged superiority of German tanks versus Soviet tanks. Yet you have the documented gross disparity between kills in favor of the Germans throughout the war. This, imo, can't be entirely attributable to superior crews and tactics. From the Operation Barbarossa series: Quote: According to the head of the Armored Directorate of the Red Army N.Fedorenko, the average mileage of the T-34 to overhaul during the war, did not exceed 200 kilometers. This was considered adequate since the T-34’s service life at the front was considerably less. For example in 1942 only 66km. In that sense the T-34 was indeed ‘reliable’ because it was destroyed before it had a chance to break down on its own. Quote: The T-34 is possibly the only weapon system in history to be rated by most commentators as the finest all round weapon in a century of warfare, and yet never consistently achieved anything better than a one to three kill-loss ratio against its enemies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fry30 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Gentlemen, you do realize that this is a link to a World of Tanks webpage? I don't mean to come off like a hater, but it is essentially the Broadsheet Newspaper of the WW2 simulator genre. One could even argue its the RT (or FOX NEWS) of videogames; it is a Russian game after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yeah, after reading a few of the items I realized that it represented a perhaps sincere effort to set the record straight by a person or group of folks who are not quite up to the job. This is typical of hobbyists who are trying to act as historians (and sometimes historians who are trying to act as historians). History is both a science and an art and the field is covered with pitfalls, minefields, and snares for the unwary. It should be approached the same way one would approach a dragon, bravely but cautiously with due respect for the hazards of the task. Particularly among military gaming hobbyists the field is littered with the carcasses of those who have read a book or two and think they know all there is to know about a subject. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The longer 76 mm gun (superior in AP performance to the Soviet 85 mm gun, which could handle Tigers just fine) had no problem with Tigers or Panthers. had no problem? This is a grossly inaccurate statement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hister Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Statements which argue to debunk myths but in reallity create even more "myths". Poor performance, back to the studying desk soldier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 This guy goes to great lengths to debunk the alleged superiority of German tanks versus Soviet tanks. Yet you have the documented gross disparity between kills in favor of the Germans throughout the war. This, imo, can't be entirely attributable to superior crews and tactics. From the Operation Barbarossa series: Quote: According to the head of the Armored Directorate of the Red Army N.Fedorenko, the average mileage of the T-34 to overhaul during the war, did not exceed 200 kilometers. This was considered adequate since the T-34’s service life at the front was considerably less. For example in 1942 only 66km. In that sense the T-34 was indeed ‘reliable’ because it was destroyed before it had a chance to break down on its own. Quote: The T-34 is possibly the only weapon system in history to be rated by most commentators as the finest all round weapon in a century of warfare, and yet never consistently achieved anything better than a one to three kill-loss ratio against its enemies. Ofcourse, we all know that the Sherman was the best all around... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_zero Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 had no problem? This is a grossly inaccurate statement. I had to wonder about that statement myself. I was under the impression that even with a longer 76mm gun it was still inadequate against the Panther and Tiger. Now the question is did the APCR rounds make a difference and were Sherman crews issued a lot of these types of rounds or just a few. I thought the tank destroyer units has the tank with the better guns and more silver bullets to fire with. I've been told by other players what makes the M-18 so dangerous is the 76mm gun and ammo it carries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 ...were Sherman crews issued a lot of these types of rounds or just a few[?] Most often none at all. Production did not ramp up until late in the war and the few that were available were issued to the TD battalions. Sometimes the tankers could mooch a few off of the TD guys in some kind of trade, but most of the time they were just SOL for APCR. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hister Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Interesting! And what was ussually exchanged for the "silver bullet"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Interesting! And what was ussually exchanged for the "silver bullet"? Miller lite, sometimes bud lite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchior Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The combat myths aren't even the most harmful ones to me. The most harmful myths of the war were the political ones that we hear today. The Wehrmacht was innocent of war crimes, and that the Nazis-whatever you thought of them-fixed Germany's economy! It's a testament to how effective a liar Joseph Goebbels was that people unknowingly spout his nonsense 70 years later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger73 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Interesting! And what was ussually exchanged for the "silver bullet"? Miller lite, sometimes bud lite. Hmmm, my Supply Sergeant always issued Coors Lite . . . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Hmmm, my Supply Sergeant always issued Coors Lite . . . Coors lite is the "silver bullet". Your supply sergeant was well supplied. Probably friends with Bob Seeger as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Interesting! And what was ussually exchanged for the "silver bullet"? HE. Unlike doctrine, the TDs often had to perform the same functions as tanks but were usually not issued enough HE to avoid running out in intense combat. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 trying to act as historians (and sometimes historians who are trying to act as historians). History is both a science and an art and the field is covered with pitfalls, minefields, and snares for the unwary. So is there anyone the frequents this forum that is a true Historian? With published works and such. I figure so, but I really do not know? And if so, instead of their tag name, what is the published name 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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