AttorneyAtWar

Hes a classic Nazi apologist, all he can offer are whataboutism's.

Yes, the last stand of the "glorious" Wehrmacht!
Fanatics, 15 year olds and old men who were either forced to fight by threat of death or made sure that the suffering continued needlessly for the last few months.
Luckily your line of thinking is finally dying out now that our understanding of the war has moved on from Guderians memoirs. Christ.
Edit: And those "Red bastards" you speak of were the true heroes, they endured the whole sale slaughter of their families and countrymen to finally destroy that disgusting organization and naziism in general. I'm no fan of Stalin but I have to call out the absolute deafness in your post. Go read a history book that wasn't written by a German general who desperately tried to save his career.

Yes, the last stand of the "glorious" Wehrmacht!
Fanatics, 15 year olds and old men who were either forced to fight by threat of death or made sure that the suffering continued needlessly for the last few months.
Luckily your line of thinking is finally dying out now that our understanding of the war has moved on from Guderians memoirs. Christ.
Edit: And those "Red bastards" you speak of were the true heroes, they endured the whole sale slaughter of their families and countrymen to finally destroy that disgusting organization and naziism in general. I'm no fan of Stalin but I have to call out the absolute deafness in your post. Go read a history book that wasn't written by a German general who desperately tried to save his career.

Yes, the last stand of the "glorious" Wehrmacht!
Fanatics, 15 year olds and old men who were either forced to fight by threat of death or made sure that the suffering continued needlessly for the last few months.
Luckily your line of thinking is finally dying out now that our understanding of the war has moved on from Guderians memoirs. Christ.
Edit: And those "Red bastards" you speak of were the true heroes, they endured the whole sale slaughter of their families and countrymen to finally destroy that disgusting organization and naziism in general. I'm no fan of Stalin but I have to call out the absolute deafness in your post. Go read a history book that wasn't written by a German general who desperately tried to save his career.

Yes, the last stand of the "glorious" Wehrmacht!
Fanatics, 15 year olds and old men who were either forced to fight by threat of death or made sure that the suffering continued needlessly for the last few months.
Luckily your line of thinking is finally dying out now that our understanding of the war has moved on from Guderians memoirs. Christ.
Edit: And those "Red bastards" you speak of were the true heroes, they endured the whole sale slaughter of their families and countrymen to finally destroy that disgusting organization and naziism in general. I'm no fan of Stalin but I have to call out the absolute deafness in your post. Go read a history book that wasn't written by a German general who desperately tried to save his career.

Yes, the last stand of the "glorious" Wehrmacht!
Fanatics, 15 year olds and old men who were either forced to fight by threat of death or made sure that the suffering continued needlessly for the last few months.
Luckily your line of thinking is finally dying out now that our understanding of the war has moved on from Guderians memoirs. Christ.
Edit: And those "Red bastards" you speak of were the true heroes, they endured the whole sale slaughter of their families and countrymen to finally destroy that disgusting organization and naziism in general. I'm no fan of Stalin but I have to call out the absolute deafness in your post. Go read a history book that wasn't written by a German general who desperately tried to save his career.

how about "We're F*&$ed So Let's Just Keep Pointlessly and Killing and Dying Because We Don't Know What Else To Do".  Or "Let's Justify This Somehow In Our Memoirs If We Survive" or "Oh This Whole War Was About Fighting Godless Bolshevism Not About Conquest and Plunder and a Monumental Land Grab".  Those would be good names.
But more seriously, things like Last Stand on the Oder, or Desperation in Hungary would be fine, I don't really care I suppose as long as it's not "My Honor is Loyalty" or some such fascist drivel.  Just bring me the battles.  

Actually most of us Bolshie lovers won't get too upset, because those red bastards got the last laugh, so to speak, and we are too-well-used-to wargame developers pandering to players that glorify the German military.
That said, I have no idea why you'd consider that "honoring the last stand of the Wehrmacht" would be more "fair" than honoring those that defeated Nazism after it had treacherously invaded their country?  Weird...

Bolshie lover?  uhhhhh, the wehrmacht et al killed around 25M folks in soviet russia.  Russia did not attack germany.  So yes let's 'honor' them??  for a war of murder and extermination??  Hitler's plan was for the enslavement, banishment or murder of 160M people.  So yes, the russian invasion was certainly a most 'honorable' endeavor.  As long as we all agree that those 160M weren't actually people, but some sort of subhuman eastern hordes like all those twisted german memoirs always say (I've read piles of them).    
The last stand of the wehrmacht was utter madness, not something honorable.  It was the reckoning of their murderous actions.  Having said that, I am really looking forward to fighting on the Oder and in Hungary.  As either side.  Yes, well, I have to reconcile that somehow.....
And having said that, I am currently fighting through Blunting the Spear as wehrmacht, so where do I really go with this......
 
 

I initially wasn't going to purchase RTV because I didn't think the time period was that interesting, but from the amount of work that's apparently gone into this I think ill play it anyway. A lot of that stuff probably isn't necessary, but it does show passion and care on BFC's part for units that don't get mentioned at all in history (unfortunately) and that granularity is why I bought CM in the first place. Hopefully BFC has learned some lessons from it and we can go back to a more "normal" schedule after this release!

I initially wasn't going to purchase RTV because I didn't think the time period was that interesting, but from the amount of work that's apparently gone into this I think ill play it anyway. A lot of that stuff probably isn't necessary, but it does show passion and care on BFC's part for units that don't get mentioned at all in history (unfortunately) and that granularity is why I bought CM in the first place. Hopefully BFC has learned some lessons from it and we can go back to a more "normal" schedule after this release!

Just keep telling yourself the game will be out tomorrow and eventually it will be true 😀
Maybe today

Awesome!
I love seeing CMANO being used in concert with CM.

True enough, these usually don't go anywhere for better and worse.
I didn't mean to imply you were a Nazi fanboy, just that you are using some of the arguments I see everywhere.
 
 

What the hell does that even mean?
Men fought under these institutions and murdered people. I'm honestly shocked to find such a blatant example of denial on this forum...

What the hell does that even mean?
Men fought under these institutions and murdered people. I'm honestly shocked to find such a blatant example of denial on this forum...

True enough, these usually don't go anywhere for better and worse.
I didn't mean to imply you were a Nazi fanboy, just that you are using some of the arguments I see everywhere.
 
 

True enough, these usually don't go anywhere for better and worse.
I didn't mean to imply you were a Nazi fanboy, just that you are using some of the arguments I see everywhere.
 
 

True enough, these usually don't go anywhere for better and worse.
I didn't mean to imply you were a Nazi fanboy, just that you are using some of the arguments I see everywhere.
 
 

That's great to hear Steve, looking forward to CMx3.

CM Fulda Gap baby!

CM Fulda Gap baby!

Honestly REDFOR on-map anti-air assets shouldn't even be firing at BLUFOR helicopters or planes. MANPADS and AAA have a ceiling of about 14k feet at their longest range. BLUFOR aircraft can easily fly above those altitudes and employ their weapons effectively without having to worry about being shot down. Helicopters are the ones most at risk but they shouldn't be doing strafing runs recklessly when you call them in.
Is the game assuming that the Syrian IADS is robust enough that BLUFOR aircraft are being hindered by it enough that they need to fly low enough to be hit by shilkas? That makes sense in CMBS sometimes but I don't think it makes sense in the Syria of 2008. So if its unrealistic for Brits to not have stingers, BLUFOR aircraft shouldn't be getting shot down by AAA.
Just my two cents.

Any day now 😎

There was no REDFOR campaign in Shock Force 1 so no Shock Force 2 will not be shipping with one.