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And the morale impact of being told to go 100m downwind of where the NAIAD (a British chemical detection device) went off 30 minutes ago and do the sniff test ... yes I was that guy ...

You guys are determined to be tricky about this NBC thing aren't you?
Trust me, it is no fun and as it is Feb 24 in Australia, here is me (vehicle commander in the helmet) 30 years ago in Australian time, 29 years ago and one day in the time zones that most forumites are probably living in, wearing an NBC suit about 10 minutes before we launched across the Iraqi border ... because yes it was that long ago ...

We spent three days in that kit and that is nothing compared to having the overboots, gloves and respirators on.  Want to see how much fun it is ....
Communicating .... put your COVID mask on.  Put a pair of gloves on and put a pair of washing up gloves on over the top.  Now try dialing a telephone number and speaking and being understood over that phone.
Writing ... as above but pick up a pen and paper and then try and write down what you can hear from your telephone call.
Using a keyboard ... as above.
Marking a map ... as above but also put on a diving mask.
Shooting accurately - COVID mask, diving goggles and two pairs of gloves - in your own time carry on.
Anything physical ... put on your normal clothes, then put another layer on, add COVID mask, diving goggles, both pairs of gloves and just try and do anything.
Or go for the full option - dare I call it 'Iron' with all of the above activities - COVID mask, diving mask, two pairs of gloves and twice the amount of clothes you'd normally wear.
Don't forget to check that your gloves, mask and goggles are on properly at all times and readjust them as necessary.
When you have done all of the above, you will see that there are more soft factors to be adjusted to simulate NBC than those being suggested.
So it might be 'cool' it might be reflective of the era and I do support the use of chemical weapons as an inclusion in the game as I know this would have been the most likely scenario in a tactical environment; however, it isn't going to happen as @Bil Hardenbergerhas pointed out.
 

You guys are determined to be tricky about this NBC thing aren't you?
Trust me, it is no fun and as it is Feb 24 in Australia, here is me (vehicle commander in the helmet) 30 years ago in Australian time, 29 years ago and one day in the time zones that most forumites are probably living in, wearing an NBC suit about 10 minutes before we launched across the Iraqi border ... because yes it was that long ago ...

We spent three days in that kit and that is nothing compared to having the overboots, gloves and respirators on.  Want to see how much fun it is ....
Communicating .... put your COVID mask on.  Put a pair of gloves on and put a pair of washing up gloves on over the top.  Now try dialing a telephone number and speaking and being understood over that phone.
Writing ... as above but pick up a pen and paper and then try and write down what you can hear from your telephone call.
Using a keyboard ... as above.
Marking a map ... as above but also put on a diving mask.
Shooting accurately - COVID mask, diving goggles and two pairs of gloves - in your own time carry on.
Anything physical ... put on your normal clothes, then put another layer on, add COVID mask, diving goggles, both pairs of gloves and just try and do anything.
Or go for the full option - dare I call it 'Iron' with all of the above activities - COVID mask, diving mask, two pairs of gloves and twice the amount of clothes you'd normally wear.
Don't forget to check that your gloves, mask and goggles are on properly at all times and readjust them as necessary.
When you have done all of the above, you will see that there are more soft factors to be adjusted to simulate NBC than those being suggested.
So it might be 'cool' it might be reflective of the era and I do support the use of chemical weapons as an inclusion in the game as I know this would have been the most likely scenario in a tactical environment; however, it isn't going to happen as @Bil Hardenbergerhas pointed out.
 

Nobody wants a sausage kiosk we want a schnelly/bratty wagon.

Winner of 'sweeping statement of the decade.'

For those of us that were there ... these suckers are essential ...
 

Not necessarily so - the Ranger's replacement, Shielder VLSMS mounted on a CVR(T) chassis regularly featured close to the action in the CPXs I used to run as an Observer Controller at the British Army's Command and Staff Trainer in the late 90s/early 00s.  Our Engineer Observer Controller, who was a US exchange officer, used to bang his head off solid objects regularly at the inability of Royal Engineers officers to be able to cue Shielder so that it scooted to its position, deployed its minefield and scooted away before getting smacked by the enemy.  A simple time distance problem that a Decision Support Overlay was explicitly designed to solve but was rarely the case because folks didn't understand the timelines or because the Battlegroup Intelligence Officer's enemy situation template was gash.  On the other hand, the enemy commander - (yours truly) had great fun whacking Shielders.
Sort of like this ...

Some were quite keen for us to drive over their fields - the compensation was better than the value of the crop in a bad farming year.

Some were quite keen for us to drive over their fields - the compensation was better than the value of the crop in a bad farming year.

Flares will date it to the 1970s then 😏

@Sgt.Squarehead
Calling you on this ...

Mainly because I think its b0ll0x ... fill your boots big sacks ...

For those of us that were there ... these suckers are essential ...
 

1,000 marks - a fortune in Cold War terms ... 😏 - I seem to recall that a beer on the British Military Train to Berlin (link below) in the late 80s cost 50 pfennigs - that would be 2,000 beers.
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@Sgt.Squarehead
Calling you on this ...

Mainly because I think its b0ll0x ... fill your boots big sacks ...

Check me out - I still have the pamphlet ...

Interesting revelation mate ... 😏

These babies ...
The Soviet Army: Operations and Tactics (fas.org)
FM 100-2-2 The Soviet Army Specialized Warfare and rear Area Support (fas.org)
FM 100-2-3 The Soviet Army Troops, Organization and Equipment (fas.org)

It was mostly drinking interspersed with long exercises and crash-outs.

Let's break this down then ...
 
 
 
So you're not an expert on aircraft, you're definitely sure you saw five engines turning and one not turning from several miles away while being distracted by a neighbour snow blowing.  Meanwhile all of the other evidence on the flight track, C/S and aircraft registration correlates.  This evidence shows the airframe to be a four engined C-30.
As to the covert stuff ... don't you think they'd maybe land at night?
As has been pointed out ad nauseum on this thread 'six engined C-130s' are four engined C-130s with with underwing fuel tanks between the inboard and outboard engines on both wings.

Some comedian will tell us they're convinced they saw one with twelve.

Good to see you back mate.

Interesting revelation mate ... 😏

Interesting revelation mate ... 😏

Flares will date it to the 1970s then 😏

Flares will date it to the 1970s then 😏