DesertFox Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, danfrodo said: Exactly! If UKR goes for big offensive and commits much of its armored forces and it fails w heavy losses, then they are an infantry force. If they know they have hundreds of MBT, IFVs and AFVs coming online late 23 & early-mid 24, then they can be really aggressive. Like El Alamein Nov 1942: it took 10 very expensive days to break through but Monty knew he had to spend to get results and also knew if he failed he could retool and come back in a few months and punch again. Exactly. Furthermore it is an enormous moral booster for UKR soldiers to know to have that western material support available. Edited February 7, 2023 by DesertFox 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, danfrodo said: Exactly! If UKR goes for big offensive and commits much of its armored forces and it fails w heavy losses, then they are an infantry force. If they know they have hundreds of MBT, IFVs and AFVs coming online late 23 & early-mid 24, then they can be really aggressive. Like El Alamein Nov 1942: it took 10 very expensive days to break through but Monty knew he had to spend to get results and also knew if he failed he could retool and come back in a few months and punch again. Gotta be honest, I have had a suspicion that the entire tank thing has not only been a political stunt. It has been about post-war Ukraine security and moving Ukraine westward towards a de facto membership in NATO. Because after the UA uses the tanks it has, I suspect this thing might be over - but we all know how quickly things can change. That said, I find myself agreeing with Kofman again (seriously is this heaven or hell? Maybe purgatory) and we need to make damn sure we get what the UA needs right now, and not sacrifice that chasing tanks. This would be strategic cart-horsing. Edited February 7, 2023 by The_Capt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 @sburke And that's not all %) Colonel (retired) Igor Suvorov. The member of "Soviet officers union". Escorted supply cargo to Donbas for units of 51st VDV regiment. On the way back get lost on the territory of Voronezh oblast near Valuyki town. Either accident, or UKR sabateurs, or missile strike. Major Vladimir Nesterov, chief of NBC-protection service of 35th SAM brigade (Buk-M2) of 36th CAA, Eastern military district. Was killeld on 27th Jan in Kyrylivka - this was one of C&C places of Vuhledar operation in 14 km SE from this town and it was reportedly hit by UKR missiles or arty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) This guy wasn't high-ranked officer, but info just for fun. On 5th of December Russian Martial Arts Union established own volunteer detachment "Union", consisting of martial arts coaches and fighters - total 98 men. Looks like they were sent to frontline immediately, because already on 31st of December was killed Sergey Uvitskiy, general secreter of Russian Kyokushinkai karate Federation. Edited February 7, 2023 by Haiduk 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 I'm not really sure if it's worth keeping posting obituaries of every single Russian officer killed in Ukraine.? In the beginning of the war, it was shocking to see the rate they could lose them, but now it's just become the daily grind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Just now, Bulletpoint said: I'm not really sure if it's worth keeping posting obituaries of every single Russian officer killed in Ukraine.? In the beginning of the war, it was shocking to see the rate they could lose them, but now it's just become the daily grind. Not every, but high-ranked only. Also if there are details of their deaths it's good source what unit was involved in some episode and some additional details about operations. But well, as Sburke will decide. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chibot Mk IX Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 6 hours ago, chrisl said: Those kind of measurements are *really* hard to do from a balloon with any fidelity because there are a lot of outside forces acting on the balloon and it's hard to maintain an inertial environment somewhere inside. Local gravity measurements are tricky to do in a stable lab subbasement with good isolation. Thanks for the info. Funny we had a similar discussion on a Chinese BBS yesterday. When a guy posted a paper showing this method is practical, another guy claimed to work in a similar industry came in. He said the paper is BS. The argument lasted for a while and guess in the end we all had this feeling: Even if it is a “spy balloon mapping variations in gravity” mission, it can still be a “hoax”. A “hoax” that is commonly seen in nowadays Chinese academic, industrial application and many other fields. A theory will be rushed into application without spending time on test and trial, in the meantime the head of project development will paint the future in the brightest color to the decision maker, so that more resource will be poured into the project. Considering our great leader is eager to take a great leap forward that “overtaking at curves” on technology and military dominance, he would love to see all kinds of "innovations". He may ask the military branch to find a solution to rapidly increase nuclear force deterrence capability. It is possible that some engineers present this not so practical idea. At least it shows they are working hard on a solution, not “lying flat” and betray our great Party and country. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Just now, Haiduk said: Not every, but high-ranked only. Also if there are details of their deaths it's good source what unit was involved in some episode and some additional details about operations. But well, as Sburke will decide. It really is important, every Lt Col or higher is a flat minimum of 15 years experience. The mobik army is going to be led be some combination of the maimed, the incompetent, the drunk, and people who were good at running a sewer plant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Haiduk said: "Bureviy" ("Hurricane, wirlwind"). On the base of 1st special purpose operative brigade. Before 2014 it had a name "Bars" and considered as "courtier" brigade for protecting of Kyiv from unrests. But even in that time they already had many newest toys and equipment. In English that would be more a "Praetorian" or "Palace" unit, although Tbh that applies more within particular form of Government (eg autocratic or monarchial). Praetorian is more specifically the unit that protects the personage of the top level leadership, ie the leader and cabinet and their immediate buildings. A Palace unit would protect the physical Government (Palace, Duma, MoD, etc) and by extension the capital city. In the US, the capital is protected by the Capitol police, who are straight police, non paramilitary (nothing heavier than a few MRAPs). Perhaps our US friends can explain why it's a Capitol and not Capital...! The Government in person is protected by the Secret Service, who would be Praetorian (to me). I don't think there's a special military unit designated as a "Palace" protector. It's why on Jan 6 the DC Police asked for the National Guard, from Maryland, essentially inviting the armed forces into the seat of government. That separation is overt and deliberate, in contrast to Russia where the Kremlin is a military-political installation protected by both the MoD and the FSB, elbow to elbow,nose to nose. The King of England (wierd writing that) has a Palace guard, which would be Palace in nature if not on paper (no power but still head of state). Edited February 7, 2023 by Kinophile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Interesting to say the least... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, dan/california said: It really is important, every Lt Col or higher is a flat minimum of 15 years experience. The mobik army is going to be led be some combination of the maimed, the incompetent, the drunk, and people who were good at running a sewer plant. “To a bloody war or sickly season”, I expect promotions have been accelerated somewhat in the RA. LCols likely have a lot less than 15 years experience now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chibot Mk IX Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Major-general (retired) Dmitriy Ulyanov. Retired in 2017 as colonel and commander of 98th VDV division. During this war enlisted again as volunteer and soon was appointed as commander of new formed "mobik" unit - motor-rifle regiment from Tatarstan Republic, probably 1232nd MRR. Was killed on 5th of Feb by recon-diversion group. Was killed on 5th of Feb by recon-diversion group. Interesting, A UKR spec operation target VDV HQ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 What is the old line, the way to be a brigadier in 1918 was to have been a lieutenant in 1914, and somehow still alive... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 20 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Not every, but high-ranked only. Also if there are details of their deaths it's good source what unit was involved in some episode and some additional details about operations. But well, as Sburke will decide. Yes, I agree. The fact that they are dead isn't all that interesting (lots of people dying), but noting their unit, location, and sometimes details of death is useful. The martial arts guy's death, even though not an officer, is a great example. Of all the crazy things we've heard about Russian mobilization efforts, this one is strangest! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chibot Mk IX said: Was killed on 5th of Feb by recon-diversion group. Interesting, A UKR spec operation target VDV HQ? No, a mobik motor rifle regiment led by a retired VDV guy. Probably an easier target. I would argue much more valuable one as well since he was probably one of less than five people in the whole regiment who knew what he was doing, and quite possibly he wasn't the only one they got. The degradation of performance for the whole unit is probably much higher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Well, seems like they are preparing for the big show... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, DesertFox said: Well, seems like they are preparing for the big show... The mind boggles. That's more HIMARS than in the entire US Army + Marine Corp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Kinophile said: In English that would be more a "Praetorian" or "Palace" unit, although Tbh that applies more within particular form of Government (eg autocratic or monarchial). Praetorian is more specifically the unit that protects the personage of the top level leadership, ie the leader and cabinet and their immediate buildings. A Palace unit would protect the physical Government (Palace, Duma, MoD, etc) and by extension the capital city. In the US, the capital is protected by the Capitol police, who are straight police, non paramilitary (nothing heavier than a few MRAPs). Perhaps our US friends can explain why it's a Capitol and not Capital...! The Government in person is protected by the Secret Service, who would be Praetorian (to me). The King of England (wierd writing that) has a Palace guard, with would be both Praetorian and Palace in nature. In UKR exists real "Praetorians" - former President's regiment, subordinated to President, not to Armed Forces Command, but now they transformed into President's mech.brigade %) Maybe just part of their Guard of Honor left in Kyiv. 1st National Guard special operative brigade (and recently Internal Troops), subordinated to National Guard Command -> Ministry of Internal Affairs was never directly subordinated to President, but it always was unofficial unit for maintaining calm in Kyiv, though inside of city were deployed two other National Guard brigades (1st operative is in Kyiv suburb). During Maidan exacly 1st brigade together with Berkut riot police were most loyal to Yanukovich regime and fiercly defended it. So, later in 2014 even often conflicts took place between new National Guard volunteer units, enlisted from former Maidan protesters and 1st brigade, when former enemies were forced to act together in training and on frontline. Though, since 2017 special status of 1st brigade was marked by giving to them honor name of "Presidental". It wasn't mean they became under direct control of President, but meant they should protect current authority in first place. In that time Poroshenko became to lose quickly own support among population and tried to maintain more leverages to save own power in the case of protests. Mass unrests in summer 2015 after "special status of Donbas" due to Minsk-2 ratification scared him enough... Edited February 7, 2023 by Haiduk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 33 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Not every, but high-ranked only. Also if there are details of their deaths it's good source what unit was involved in some episode and some additional details about operations. But well, as Sburke will decide. exactly. For example there has been a distinct drop off in reports of VDV losses from last year. It is anecdotal info but still some indication. It can also give confirmation of UA strikes on RA command centers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Chibot Mk IX said: A UKR spec operation target VDV HQ? In this time he already wasn't VDV commander. He returned to service and got "mobiks" regiment under command. But looks like our SOF or recons cought his HQ. Edited February 7, 2023 by Haiduk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraft Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 36 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Not every, but high-ranked only. Also if there are details of their deaths it's good source what unit was involved in some episode and some additional details about operations. But well, as Sburke will decide. I very much appreciate those posts, and hope I will see them in even greater quantity x) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Hmm. Reuters says the number of HIMARS launchers in the Poland deal is actually 18, a far more believable number. Quote The package includes 18 HIMARS launchers, 45 of the 185-mile (297-km) range Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles and more than 1,000 Guided Multiple Rocket Launch System (GMLRS) rockets. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-approves-sale-up-10-bln-sale-himars-rocket-launchers-ammunition-poland-2023-02-07/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) Hmm...was curious when this 24% Russian minority become a problem. 34 minutes ago, Vanir Ausf B said: The mind boggles. That's more HIMARS than in the entire US Army + Marine Corp. MoD's minds often wander in their own strange pathways...but seriously, there must be some kind of political hook there. Btw. I remind again- be very cautious when quoting anything from Visegrad24, NEXTA, TRYXA, WarMonitor, Euromaidan.PR and similar accounts about anything regarding statements of Polish/German officials. They are very often cherrypicking, overdramatizing and puting them out of context. We witnessed plenty of those already. Best to stay away entirely especially from Visegrad24 and Euromaidan.pr. Edited February 7, 2023 by Beleg85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, Vanir Ausf B said: Hmm. Reuters says the number of HIMARS launchers in the Poland deal is actually 18, a far more believable number. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-approves-sale-up-10-bln-sale-himars-rocket-launchers-ammunition-poland-2023-02-07/ Yeah, only problem is, that tweet I quoted is by the polish Minister of Defense. I guess he should know? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshoot Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Prigozhin getting all high and mighty and challenging Zelensky to a dogfight dual. Why does it look like Prigozhin is having trouble keeping his dinner down, maybe after some high Gs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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