billbindc Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said: But that's it, isn't it? It's all in Putins hands. He can still save what can be saved, but he probably won't. Time is running out for him, so he has to 'go deeper'. The West should prepare itself for that. The pragmatic Putin we all came to fear (and sometimes 'admire') doesn't seem to exist anymore. Now that is something to worry about. And what can we do if he decides to try to force victory with tactical nukes and chemical weapons? Despite the present euphoria in the West Vlad still has some cards to play. I bet he will survive all this. A new even more North Korea as somebody in this thread called it. Chemical weapons are simply not fit for use in a war like that in Ukraine. Russia would have as hard a time dealing with them on the as the UA would given their lack of maintained NBC gear, their lamentable logistics and the depth of Ukrainian defenses. Use of tactical nukes would create similar problems in the field and make a direct NATO intervention imminent. It would also completely isolate Russia internationally and likely trigger a complete trade embargo. Also...say that Russia used a nuke on Odessa the the Ukrainians simply refused to give in? Politically, I don't see how Zelensky would or could. In that situation, Russia will have committed an unforgiveable act, would have to take all the heat it would entail and it wouldn't be any closer to winning the war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) "A Soviet-era T-34 tank in Moscow's Red Square on May 7, 2022, during rehearsals for the May 9 military parade. KIRILL KUDRYAVTSEV / AFP" "A crater from a missile strike in a residential area of Bakhmout, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, May 7, 2022. JORGE SILVA / REUTERS" "An exhibit at Russia's Central State Museum of Contemporary History, 'NATO, Chronicle of Cruelty', shows paintings of injured children and crying women, accompanied by a soundtrack of flybys military planes, in Moscow, May 5, 2022. - / AFP" "Fyodor Kokin, the curator of the Central State Museum of Contemporary History of Russia, in front of one of the paintings of the exhibition “NATO, chronicle of cruelty”, in Moscow, May 5, 2022. - / AFP" "A Ukrainian license plate and an American flag at the “NATO Chronicle of Cruelty” exhibition in Moscow on May 5, 2022. - / AFP" "A painting from the exhibition "NATO, chronicle of cruelty", in Moscow, May 5, 2022. - / AFP" Hey Russians, taking drugs is bad! Edited May 7, 2022 by Taranis 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Haiduk said: Here what yesterday our General Staff scored as +1 ship - looks like small landing craft pr.11770 "Serna" was hit by Bayraktar, when it was disembarking SAM system (Orix claimed this was TOR) on Zmiinyi island. Double kill. TB2 also hit facility on the ground Black Sea Fleet has two pr.11770 landing crafts, year ago from Caspian flotilia to Azov was moved several crafts of this project, but I forgot how much. Caspians have four Sernas Situation with attack on Admiral Makarov still unclear, RUMINT source from Sevastopol says about 30 ambulances drove from the Sevastopol port after frigate turned back. Russian TG in own messages also tell there is strike had took place, but damaged ship successfully tured back. Ukrainian official military speakers keep silence. Best part was, that Tor was active (you can see search radar spinning). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Taranis said: "A Soviet-era T-34 tank in Moscow's Red Square on May 7, 2022, during rehearsals for the May 9 military parade. KIRILL KUDRYAVTSEV / AFP" "A crater from a missile strike in a residential area of Bakhmout, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, May 7, 2022. JORGE SILVA / REUTERS" "An exhibit at Russia's Central State Museum of Contemporary History, 'NATO, Chronicle of Cruelty', shows paintings of injured children and crying women, accompanied by a soundtrack of flybys military planes, in Moscow, May 5, 2022. - / AFP" "Fyodor Kokin, the curator of the Central State Museum of Contemporary History of Russia, in front of one of the paintings of the exhibition “NATO, chronicle of cruelty”, in Moscow, May 5, 2022. - / AFP" "A Ukrainian license plate and an American flag at the “NATO Chronicle of Cruelty” exhibition in Moscow on May 5, 2022. - / AFP" "A painting from the exhibition "NATO, chronicle of cruelty", in Moscow, May 5, 2022. - / AFP" Hey Russians, taking drugs is bad! That feels very North Korean 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sross112 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, billbindc said: Chemical weapons are simply not fit for use in a war like that in Ukraine. Russia would have as hard a time dealing with them on the as the UA would given their lack of maintained NBC gear, their lamentable logistics and the depth of Ukrainian defenses. Use of tactical nukes would create similar problems in the field and make a direct NATO intervention imminent. It would also completely isolate Russia internationally and likely trigger a complete trade embargo. Also...say that Russia used a nuke on Odessa the the Ukrainians simply refused to give in? Politically, I don't see how Zelensky would or could. In that situation, Russia will have committed an unforgiveable act, would have to take all the heat it would entail and it wouldn't be any closer to winning the war. Agreed. Someone posted a good video from the Hoover institute in the past couple days where they discussed the nuclear option. The consensus with the retired generals was that it didn't make sense as they don't produce a win. The tactical ones wouldn't solve any issues and any use, especially strategic, not only doesn't decide the conflict but actually makes it worse for Russia in the eyes of the world. The best part though was they pointed out the response from the west doesn't have to be nuclear. Especially after witnessing Russia at war their confidence in an overwhelming non nuclear kinetic strike was high. I think the message to Russia is you can certainly send a tac nuke, but you will be trading a lot of your ground forces, most of your air force and the Black Sea Fleet for it's use. Add that to the analysis by Perun that was put up here a few days ago and I just don't think nukes are on the table for anything more than hopeful bluster by Russia. The one place I would not be surprised if Chemical weapons were used though is Mariupol. If and when the RA manages to control the ground of the Azovstal area I could see them using chemical weapons to clear the bunker/tunnel system instead of trying to clear it by assault. Probably be the most effective way of doing it however I think the backlash would be just about as bad as using a nuke. The western popular voice would be very condemning. It is one thing to use chemicals against military units on a battlefield, which no one would like, but it is a whole new level of evil/mass murder/war crime to use them against women, children and wounded in a bunker. It just strikes me that that sort of thing would cause a louder cry for action than even Bucha and the other war crimes have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Russian fighter jets, seen in the sky over Moscow on May 7, 2022, form the letter 'Z' in support of the war in Ukraine, during a rehearsal for the May 9 parade, which commemorates the Soviet victory on the Nazis in 1945. KIRILL KUDRYAVTSEV / AFP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sross112 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, Taranis said: "A painting from the exhibition "NATO, chronicle of cruelty", in Moscow, May 5, 2022. - / AFP" What strikes me most about this mural is that they managed to turn the towing pintle on the end of the barrel into an artillery bayonet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Russians disguised 9P149 Shturm-S tank destroyer with rubbish of destroyed house, but this didn't work 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Excaliburs? If Ukraine has them in such numbers to target particular SPGs, then the whole Izium position suddenly turned into a horrifying deathtrap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) News reportage from Staryi Saltiv, where Russian T-90M was destroyed. Some large TV-pictures of destroyed tank, alas, without walkaround Edited May 7, 2022 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Terrain trials with T-80U 1250hp gasturbine in Sweden in 1993, Vs Strv 104 Latest 750hp Diesel Centurion. Terrain trials early 90´s T-72M1, MT-LB Vs Strv 104 Latest 750hp diesel Centurion, and PBV 302 APC/IFV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 128th mountain-assault brigade destroyed field ammunition depot. Probably Zaporizhzhia direction Edited May 7, 2022 by Haiduk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Is there a Russian Resistance? Let's Hope Monday there are plenty of Bangs in Russia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Holien said: Is there a Russian Resistance? I will rather believe in UKR SOF/ agents, recruited by GUR than in "Russian resistance". Anti-war moods, of course, exist in Russia, but only on the level "Why was all this war need? I lost a tickets to Paris and my Instagram doesn't work - I have panic attacks and depression!" Well, four times in different cities enlistment offices were set fire. But railway war... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Rabb Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Video of a Ukranian TB2 paying a surprise visit to Snake island. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshoot Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) It also seems like they aren't concerned with stopping the war completely. The translation of the email as shown in that thread: "We demand: - Release Alexey Navalny @navalny and other political prisoners. - Withdraw forces of the 249th Separate Special Motorized Battalion "South" of the North Caucasus District of the Rosgvardia and SOBR "Akhmat" from the territory of Ukraine. - Removal of Ramzan #Kadyrov from participating in the command of the special military operation in Ukraine. - Refusal to announce general mobilization of Russian citizens to replenish the special operation forces. Russia will be free!" (END OF TRANSLATION)" Assuming it is real, why would they want only those particular units withdrawn? Edited May 7, 2022 by Offshoot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 46 minutes ago, Huba said: Excaliburs? If Ukraine has them in such numbers to target particular SPGs, then the whole Izium position suddenly turned into a horrifying deathtrap. I can watch this all day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: I can watch this all day. Actually it seems that this attack took place east of Kharkhiv: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMS Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 14 hours ago, LongLeftFlank said: Brother, I guess I've ended up as your last friend on here. It is a gaming forum and I cut you some slack personally as a good contributor to the community. But you are just living in a looking glass world right now, defending something that is just not worth defending. I mean Russia. As a 'leftist', you need to be aware that your country -- Mother Russia or the Last Hope of Socialism or Christianity or Whiteness or whatever you call it -- is simply nothing special in the world today as a polity, a gene pool or a civilisation. Sometimes I think that people here write not to me, but to someone else. "Defending Russia", really? Who cares? Not me. It's amazing that you (not just you, everyone, who started arguing to my statement about effect of Balkan war) really think that I do care about your opinion about Russia. (Not because I don't care about your opinion at all, I hope you get the point) People think that Chinese and Russians badly understand each other. Unfortunately Russians and Europeans don't understand each other at all. You can understand letters and words, but not perception of yourself, of country, of history. And that is more important than hieroglyphs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeleban Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, DMS said: Иногда мне кажется, что здесь люди пишут не мне, а кому-то другому. "Защитить Россию", правда? Какая разница? Не я. Удивительно, что вы (не только вы, а все, кто начал спорить с моим утверждением о последствиях войны на Балканах) действительно думаете, что мне не безразлично ваше мнение о России. (Не потому, что меня вообще не волнует ваше мнение, я надеюсь, вы поняли суть) Люди думают, что китайцы и русские плохо понимают друг друга. К сожалению, русские и европейцы совершенно не понимают друг друга. Можно понимать буквы и слова, но не восприятие себя, страны, истории. И это важнее иероглифов. That's for sure, despite the fact that I understand Russian letters and words, I don't understand Russian at all. Apparently I'm European 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Zeleban said: That's for sure, despite the fact that I understand Russian letters and words, I don't understand Russian at all. Apparently I'm European that is a somewhat unfortunate avatar.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, sburke said: that is a somewhat unfortunate avatar.. How do you think Don Diego de la Vega feels!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeleban Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, sburke said: какая-то неудачная аватарка.... That's for sure. But she allows me to troll the pro-Russian participants in this forum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeleban Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Holien said: Как вы думаете, что чувствует Дон Диего де ла Вега!!! I'm afraid he will not be the most popular movie character in Ukraine in the near future 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Huba said: That feels very North Korean Russians have been channeling NK really hard for years. Hope their dream comes true and they will get to live in it forever. And I don't mean that as a bad thing. As you know - we, Europeans, do not understand how Russian thinks. Edited May 7, 2022 by kraze 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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