antaress73 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 unless he fired an HE round instead of an ATGM .. but I agree this is one lucky M1A2... if he has luck on his side too.. well... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtHatred Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I see that an M1 was hit on the side by an ATGM from the BMP-3 but the reactive armor saved it. THe missile fired by the BMP_3 has a tandem warhead with 700-750mm of penetration after ERA, Should have made it through anywhere on the sides even with ERA. AT-10 defeating the dual layer ERA side armour of the M1A2SEPV2MobileOppressionPalace? Doesn't seem likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) looked to me more like the 30 mm, but hard to tell. There is so much stuff firing. I suspect that Brad may be on the blood board though. Edited January 8, 2015 by sburke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antaress73 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 would 30mm trigger a reactive armor: hit message like in the GIF ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antaress73 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 AT-10 defeating the dual layer ERA side armour of the M1A2SEPV2MobileOppressionPalace? Doesn't seem likely. Hull is double layered... turret is single layer I think .. and if the more recent version of AT-10 can't do it.. the RPG-7VR 105mm warthead can't either 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Yes I believe it will. (note it is a location, so the hit text may simply reflect that is what it struck, not that the reactive armor "reacted".) Edited January 8, 2015 by sburke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BletchleyGeek Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 That was a lot of pain coming in the way of those two Abrams. It's interesting that they didn't auto-magically spot your BMPs which were quite well deployed. I am still totally in the dark about what is Scott's plan. Probably too early to tell, but I am not seeing a lot of finesse, really. What's the status on the Power Plant assault? Are you scrubbing that? If you had infantry with AT-14s that would be an awesome position. But since that doesn't seem to be the case, I wonder about its relevance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttorneyAtWar Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 That was a lot of pain coming in the way of those two Abrams. It's interesting that they didn't auto-magically spot your BMPs which were quite well deployed. I am still totally in the dark about what is Scott's plan. Probably too early to tell, but I am not seeing a lot of finesse, really. What's the status on the Power Plant assault? Are you scrubbing that? If you had infantry with AT-14s that would be an awesome position. But since that doesn't seem to be the case, I wonder about its relevance. Scott seems to be adopting the "Rolling Thunder" approach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 .What's the status on the Power Plant assault? Are you scrubbing that? If you had infantry with AT-14s that would be an awesome position. But since that doesn't seem to be the case, I wonder about its relevance. Still trying to get one of my damned BMPs to fire at the wall... I've wasted a couple turns now trying to get them to fire at it and not use airburst. I do hope to take it, if for no other reason than that it'll make a great OP, and it'll be one more objective Scott will need to recapture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagler Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The ERA arrays on the M1 I believe have an outer ERA tile - then a gap - then an inner ERA block - then the bracket fitting and a gap - then the base armour of the tank. That is two layers of ERA to go through, which true shouldnt be an issue for an Arkan, but then its the actual armour of the tank. The jet would of been expended on the two ERA layers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antaress73 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The manual says .. Dual layer of era on thé Hull.. Single on te turret side.. It probable hit the Hull then .. A turret hit would have been more dangerous . Thé precursor detonated thé first layer ettge actual warhead was stopped by the second 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antaress73 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) The manual says .. Dual layer of era on the Hull.. Single on the turret side.. It probably hit the Hull then .. A turret hit would have been more dangerous . The precursor detonated the first layer and actual warhead was stopped by the second Edited January 8, 2015 by antaress73 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antaress73 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Aghh sorry , double post 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan8325 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The manual says .. Dual layer of era on thé Hull.. Single on te turret side.. It probable hit the Hull then .. A turret hit would have been more dangerous . Thé precursor detonated thé first layer ettge actual warhead was stopped by the second The gif in Bill's post shows the same ERA tiles on the turret sides as on the hull, at least graphically. Perhaps the turret also gets the double-layered ERA on the 'excellent' equipment setting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Side hull has M19 boxes (which probably contain multiple layers of ERA elements) and M32 tiles. Turret has M32 tiles only. M19 alone may have some anti-tandem capabilities. Edited January 8, 2015 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Here's a treat, the guys over at www.combatmission.fr have started to translate this AAR into French: http://www.combatmission.fr/recits-de-parties/black-sea-beta-par-bil-hardenberger/ Pretty neat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDog944 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Here's a treat, the guys over at www.combatmission.fr have started to translate this AAR into French: http://www.combatmission.fr/recits-de-parties/black-sea-beta-par-bil-hardenberger/ Pretty neat Now that's fame if I've ever seen it. Congrats on being propelled to international superstar! Edited January 9, 2015 by BigDog944 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Félicitations Bil! Ajouter professeur internatioanl à vos informations d'identification et CM le plaisir de tous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Congrats, Bil! Cool stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antaress73 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Your utter defeat will be internationally known (no offense, i'm very sympathetic to your cause) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Your utter defeat will be internationally known (no offense, i'm very sympathetic to your cause) -Forgot about that part! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnart Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Still trying to get one of my damned BMPs to fire at the wall... I've wasted a couple turns now trying to get them to fire at it and not use airburst. I do hope to take it, if for no other reason than that it'll make a great OP, and it'll be one more objective Scott will need to recapture. Isn' that a B#tch! When you tested it it worked. I hope i didn't jinx you when I commented much earlier "Now watch it choose to use air burst for area fire when you do it for real" Edited January 9, 2015 by Vinnart 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Isn' that a B#tch! When you tested it it worked. I hope i didn't jinx you when I commented much earlier "Now watch it choose to use air burst for area fire when you do it for real" Colonel Murphy is alive and active. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Your utter defeat will be internationally known (no offense, i'm very sympathetic to your cause) -Forgot about that part! What's the old saying "any publicity is good publicity". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladimirTarasov Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Hello, I've joined this website after watching a live stream of this game and thought I would join and could provide some information. I served in the Russian Airborne Forces during the 2008-2011. You are in a tight situation and knowing that M1A2 is overpowered in most games I think you are in a tight situation. It really does annoy me that M1A2 surpasses the T-90A even the AM variant. Go defensive use RPG-7 with VR rocket and flank tanks from the sides. No need to risk any tanks. Tanks should be a layer of defense for now once you thin out his forces go for a push on the weakest flanks. Artillery tree lines that you fear enemies are and use infantry on his flanks and take out recon teams and anti tank teams. This should provide you more easy maneuvers. Artillery is key if you want to thin out enemy forces never over think if you should use it or not. If there is a anti-tank unit there is bound to be its support team nearby bomb the location this is an example though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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