Heirloom_Tomato

OK I finally loaded this up and figured out what is happening.
TLDR: The gun teams are *not* suffering any casualties. Therefore nothing wrong here regarding HE or ricochet effects. They are abandoning their guns due to the game feature /  limitation of casualties suffered in one team of a platoon effecting the morale state of the entire platoon. Even though the effect on other team is not large when you have teams in a very bad morale state, like these guns were, it can be enough to push them over the edge.
The full analysis:
First things first the guns do not suffer any casualties - they abandon their guns and the gun get a red base when that happens. So if you just quickly look you can mistake that for a casualty for sure. See images 5 and 6: notice the red base on the gun in the game screen but also notice all the members of the team are fine.
 
The ammo bearers reacted the same due to poor morale just like the gun crews. Also there is a 5s time span for the events in question.
There is a game feature / limitation whereby the combat stress, especially casualties, that happen to one team have morale effects on all other teams in the platoon. Someone did a nice post that showed this effect but I cold not find the post - I thought it was @MOS:96B2P, or @Bulletpoint or @Josey Wales - if anyone can find it please post the link. Basically casualties effect the morale of a squad but it turns out it also effects the morale of the rest of the platoon too. This happens regardless of if other teams can see the casualties happen of if C2 is maintained. Frequently we do not notice this for two reasons: 1) platoons are often located near each other so if a squad is taking casulties the sister squads can see those casualties too, so we don't really find it surprising that the suffer too. 2) frequently morale effects are not as drastic or cut and dry as abandoning a gun, so we are not surprised if squads in a bad way become shaken. In this case we have teams that are separated by a significant distance and we have a noticeable event, the abandoning of the guns, that is an important and significant change.
Here is the condition of the teams and sequence of events:
First we have the team that will take the casualties 4 Squad / Team B. They are shaken and will be under fire from a several enemy units during the turn.
01 Team that gets hit:

The two guns are in the same platoon as the above team (1 Battery). Both gun crews are broken.
02 One gun:

03 Second gun:

At 31:34 the Sherman shell explodes near 4 Squad / Team B and three men become casualties.
04 Team take the hit and three casualties:

At 31:31 the gun Squad / A Team are shaken and have had enough. They abandon their gun.
05 One gun abandoned:

At 31:29 the other gun (also called Squad / A Team) become shaken and abandon their gun.
06 Second gun abandoned:

So, the bottom line is this even is due to the way the game works and is not a problem that needs to be fixed. Although I suppose we could debate if the game should work that we or not. Frankly I am not sure that would be a worth while use of our time though

The factors are: 
Experience: 6 levels, Conscript to Elite
Motivation: 6 levels, Poor to Fanatic
Fitness: Fit, weakened, Unfit
Leadership: -2 to +2
Supply: 5 levels, Severe to Full
The possibilites exsist to create virtually any situation you can imagine.
In my opinion, whatever preconceived notions one has about the definition of the word "green" or "veteran" with regards to troop quality is meaningless. The game is based off of the definition found in the manual, and for CM purposes, this is the only definition that matters.

The factors are: 
Experience: 6 levels, Conscript to Elite
Motivation: 6 levels, Poor to Fanatic
Fitness: Fit, weakened, Unfit
Leadership: -2 to +2
Supply: 5 levels, Severe to Full
The possibilites exsist to create virtually any situation you can imagine.
In my opinion, whatever preconceived notions one has about the definition of the word "green" or "veteran" with regards to troop quality is meaningless. The game is based off of the definition found in the manual, and for CM purposes, this is the only definition that matters.

The factors are: 
Experience: 6 levels, Conscript to Elite
Motivation: 6 levels, Poor to Fanatic
Fitness: Fit, weakened, Unfit
Leadership: -2 to +2
Supply: 5 levels, Severe to Full
The possibilites exsist to create virtually any situation you can imagine.
In my opinion, whatever preconceived notions one has about the definition of the word "green" or "veteran" with regards to troop quality is meaningless. The game is based off of the definition found in the manual, and for CM purposes, this is the only definition that matters.

Take a scenario you think has a great AI plan and load it up in the editor. Check out the plan the scenario author created and how it flows and works together.  Then experiment and watch your plans over and over again. I am still trying to get my plans perfect and this is the technique I am using.

Death of an ISU 122

CMFI is my favourite of all the CM titles. There are so many unique units and vehicles, I love to setup qb's with oddball units and just have fun. I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of the new Rome to Victory module, can't wait to play a battle or two with the First Special Service Force.
Welcome to the community and try not to get too addicted to the games. 

You are heartless
recalled Waterloo in a topic opened by a french !!!                
More seriously, I live on the ground where the  kampfgruppe Engel campaign is happening
I can not help thinking  about the game  when i move on the ground !
Of it there is in particular a hedge where I lost my jagpanther or I sigh as soon as I pass there
it's there....

I will ask the dumb question but have you tried pressing alt-k to make sure smoke it turned on?

Came across this and thought people here would appreciate this dazzling example in HD. Their full scale warfare demo/wargame/? makes our stateside re-enactor battles look like scripted farces by comparison. How I wish I could be there!
Regards,
John Kettler

I have CMBN installed on 3 machines right now, my main desktop, my laptop and my daughter's laptop. She is enjoying LAN battles with me almost as much as I am.
I have CMFI installed on those three as well as my desktop at work. 
My understanding is the game comes with 4 activations initially and a new one is made available every year you own the product. 
As for Steam, Battlefront have stated repeatedly they will not be using the Steam platform.
 As stated before, my daughter and I have been playing LAN battles with each other without issue. I own a copy of Civiliation V and while it is installed on both our laptops, I need to buy a second copy to battle her thanks to Steam's DRM rules. So a big thanks to @Battlefront.com for not using Steam so I can introduce the joys of CM to the next generation. 

Of course you will! You are a true CM Junkie like the rest of us.
One of the advantages of having so many flavors of CM is that you can read a book, say on the Italian theater, or watch a documentary on Normandy, than go and experience it in one of the games for yourself. I look at CM games (and other good historical titles) not just as games, but as tools to explore and relive the history, a way to immerse yourself in another time and place and interact with the past. No other medium in the history of mankind has allowed that like PC gaming, not even reenacting. Depending on the game, you can delve into the politics, the economy, social constructs, and the warfare of the period. As far as WWII goes the scope of CM scratches that itch for me just fine.
 
Mord.
 

andddd now I'll have to buy CMFI as well.

If the best CM game is the one you spend the most time playing, then CMFI is in my experience the best. It has the longest time frame, July 43 to May 44, most varied terrain and weather, steep mountains to flat farm fields, baking heat to winter blizzards, hard rocky ground to deep mud. And the forces? In my opinion, the widest selection of any of the titles. Italians vs New Zealanders is not a battle happening in any other title. When the Rome to Victory module is released, all the features I just listed will be expanded upon further cementing CMFI as the broadest in scope.
And WEGO every battle, every time. After watching a squad leader run from cover to stand over his cowering squad mate, ignore incoming fire, burn off a few dozen rounds in the direction of the enemy and then escort his man to safety, I was hooked. You can't watch that a dozen times in a row in real time.

I have CMBN installed on 3 machines right now, my main desktop, my laptop and my daughter's laptop. She is enjoying LAN battles with me almost as much as I am.
I have CMFI installed on those three as well as my desktop at work. 
My understanding is the game comes with 4 activations initially and a new one is made available every year you own the product. 
As for Steam, Battlefront have stated repeatedly they will not be using the Steam platform.
 As stated before, my daughter and I have been playing LAN battles with each other without issue. I own a copy of Civiliation V and while it is installed on both our laptops, I need to buy a second copy to battle her thanks to Steam's DRM rules. So a big thanks to @Battlefront.com for not using Steam so I can introduce the joys of CM to the next generation. 

This was posted in a thread in CMFB page but I thought it should also be posted in the general forum. Here is a link to a very large and free collection of period maps of Europe from 1943-1944. For the Italy section there is also the City Map plans available. The central Europe section should cover the area for the next module for CMRT. I think a few people here will find this to be very interesting. Big shout out to @AlsatianFelix for the original find.
https://library.mcmaster.ca/maps/ww2/ww2_topos_home
Here too is the map collection from the University of Texas. They also have some amazing maps.
http://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe.html
As a side note McMaster is not too far from home and in a few years when my oldest is ready for university, I think I will have to encourage her to take a campus tour and I shall get lost in the map room.....

Thanks for stating it that way.
I will say, as a beta-tester, coming to grips with this behavior has been difficult. The NDA prevents a lot of what I'd like say (and is a nice way to dodge ) but realize that the HE fleeing behavior was not seen as a deal-breaker before v4.0 was released...or it would not have been released.
Think about the myriad of situations your pixeltroops have been in. Think about how often they do the right thing...and you don't even notice it. Think about when they do something wrong...and the situation which it took to get that behavior.
Without giving too much (anything?) away, I follow two basic courses of investigation: there are areas I dig into to find stuff; and there are times when I get a whiff of something not quite right. In the first case, I start with a set of presumed behaviors and try to stress them to their outlying limits. In the other case, I happen to notice something in passing...and then the Eye of Sauron focuses upon it.
There are fewer and fewer of each. And the gameplay effect of most are very minor.
I can field multiple battalions and have total mayhem reign for four hours...and notice only a few odd cases of behavior. Most (all?) can be explained by men panicking under fire or other reasonable explanations. Think about the magnitude of that achievement: several hundreds of "men" acting realistically over multiple square kilometers whilst killing and being killed and trying to achieve a terrain objective.
The HE behavior slipped through. Now, what if the fix is worse? Maybe men will stick in their locations, but then tanks reverse towards threats. But only if unbuttoned and the threat is known but out of LOS. And only on odd numbered turns. 
Occam's Razor: if the fix were simple, wouldn't you have it already?

Commonwealth forces are pretty much a given for CMFB. I think the British and the Commonwealth contributed to ending the war.... at least that's what my Opa told me!

I have CMBN installed on 3 machines right now, my main desktop, my laptop and my daughter's laptop. She is enjoying LAN battles with me almost as much as I am.
I have CMFI installed on those three as well as my desktop at work. 
My understanding is the game comes with 4 activations initially and a new one is made available every year you own the product. 
As for Steam, Battlefront have stated repeatedly they will not be using the Steam platform.
 As stated before, my daughter and I have been playing LAN battles with each other without issue. I own a copy of Civiliation V and while it is installed on both our laptops, I need to buy a second copy to battle her thanks to Steam's DRM rules. So a big thanks to @Battlefront.com for not using Steam so I can introduce the joys of CM to the next generation. 

I have CMBN installed on 3 machines right now, my main desktop, my laptop and my daughter's laptop. She is enjoying LAN battles with me almost as much as I am.
I have CMFI installed on those three as well as my desktop at work. 
My understanding is the game comes with 4 activations initially and a new one is made available every year you own the product. 
As for Steam, Battlefront have stated repeatedly they will not be using the Steam platform.
 As stated before, my daughter and I have been playing LAN battles with each other without issue. I own a copy of Civiliation V and while it is installed on both our laptops, I need to buy a second copy to battle her thanks to Steam's DRM rules. So a big thanks to @Battlefront.com for not using Steam so I can introduce the joys of CM to the next generation. 

I have CMBN installed on 3 machines right now, my main desktop, my laptop and my daughter's laptop. She is enjoying LAN battles with me almost as much as I am.
I have CMFI installed on those three as well as my desktop at work. 
My understanding is the game comes with 4 activations initially and a new one is made available every year you own the product. 
As for Steam, Battlefront have stated repeatedly they will not be using the Steam platform.
 As stated before, my daughter and I have been playing LAN battles with each other without issue. I own a copy of Civiliation V and while it is installed on both our laptops, I need to buy a second copy to battle her thanks to Steam's DRM rules. So a big thanks to @Battlefront.com for not using Steam so I can introduce the joys of CM to the next generation. 

I have CMBN installed on 3 machines right now, my main desktop, my laptop and my daughter's laptop. She is enjoying LAN battles with me almost as much as I am.
I have CMFI installed on those three as well as my desktop at work. 
My understanding is the game comes with 4 activations initially and a new one is made available every year you own the product. 
As for Steam, Battlefront have stated repeatedly they will not be using the Steam platform.
 As stated before, my daughter and I have been playing LAN battles with each other without issue. I own a copy of Civiliation V and while it is installed on both our laptops, I need to buy a second copy to battle her thanks to Steam's DRM rules. So a big thanks to @Battlefront.com for not using Steam so I can introduce the joys of CM to the next generation. 

I have CMBN installed on 3 machines right now, my main desktop, my laptop and my daughter's laptop. She is enjoying LAN battles with me almost as much as I am.
I have CMFI installed on those three as well as my desktop at work. 
My understanding is the game comes with 4 activations initially and a new one is made available every year you own the product. 
As for Steam, Battlefront have stated repeatedly they will not be using the Steam platform.
 As stated before, my daughter and I have been playing LAN battles with each other without issue. I own a copy of Civiliation V and while it is installed on both our laptops, I need to buy a second copy to battle her thanks to Steam's DRM rules. So a big thanks to @Battlefront.com for not using Steam so I can introduce the joys of CM to the next generation. 

Not legal age yet so a big NOPE to that one.🔞 But you are right, she sure is awesome!

I have CMBN installed on 3 machines right now, my main desktop, my laptop and my daughter's laptop. She is enjoying LAN battles with me almost as much as I am.
I have CMFI installed on those three as well as my desktop at work. 
My understanding is the game comes with 4 activations initially and a new one is made available every year you own the product. 
As for Steam, Battlefront have stated repeatedly they will not be using the Steam platform.
 As stated before, my daughter and I have been playing LAN battles with each other without issue. I own a copy of Civiliation V and while it is installed on both our laptops, I need to buy a second copy to battle her thanks to Steam's DRM rules. So a big thanks to @Battlefront.com for not using Steam so I can introduce the joys of CM to the next generation.