weapon2010 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I saw a documentary last night that claimed only 90 tigers fought in Normandy, and Im guessing a good percentage of those Tigers were SS vs Brits which is not in.So how rare were Tigers against Americans in the first 3 months? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 This is a trick question... right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Generally only a half of the German units are Tigers, and only a quarter of the US units. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_the_wino Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 You obviously never saw a QB where I got to pick my forces....Tigers about as plentiful as weeds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 If I know BFC, Tigers will be well done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 June QB, 'strick rarity' purchasing rules. For the same allotted points I could either purchase two Tiger I (late)s or twelve PzIV Hs. That's only a snapshot, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Aren't rarity points separate from purchase points in CMBN? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yes they are. When I say purchase I mean juggling both numbers. If I played 'rarity off' rarity would be indeed off. The purchase price is closer to 3-1 instead of 12-1. I think... more or less... in my mini test. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Aren't rarity points separate from purchase points in CMBN? Even if they are (and that's what I've gathered from the various knowledgable folks on here), if you get 12 rarity points and a Tiger takes 6 where a IV(H) takes 1, you can get (assuming you have the purchase points) the 2 and 12 MikeyD mentions. If there were armour that had zero rarity cost, you could fill your entire OOB (subject to whatever other limits the QB system might apply) with it. I'm guessing too that a Tiger doesn't cost 6 times the purchase points of a IV(H) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 If there were armour that had zero rarity cost, you could fill your entire OOB (subject to whatever other limits the QB system might apply) with it. Yeah, I was going on the assumption that the most common units would have zero rarity (as they did in CMx1 games), so you could burn all 12 rarity points (to use your example) on 2 Tiger Is and then still purchase a few IV Hs with whatever purchase points were left over. So I guess the question is: do even the most common units in CMBN cost a minimum number of rarity points?n MikeyD's post suggests they do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Bergman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 The QB I just opened to check this offered up the following approx numbers: Rarity pts (RP) total: 3000 M4A3 75(W) early Standard 0 RP M4A3 75(W) mid Common 200 RP M4A1 (mid) Uncommon 500 RP M4A1 76(W) early Limited 1000 RP M10 (late) Rare 1500 RP Standard items cost 0 RP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 US airborne fighting off Tigers with 57mm AT guns , cant wait 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Seems CMBN US players are more afraid for Tigers then the real US soldiers were in august 1944 in the area of Mortain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_L%C3%BCttich 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Crowley Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I don't think US forces clashed with tigers within the timeframe of this release, so rarity should be set at 'non-existant' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I don't think US forces clashed with tigers within the timeframe of this release, so rarity should be set at 'non-existant' really ? are you sure ? they were around since last 1942 IIRC , stating the obvious they were kicking aboot africa for a while. CMBN scope it up to Sept 44 ? , US must have come across a single Tiger in this time period. Not that it matters , they are in the first release thankfully , would be madness to leave them out , its a selling point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Pardon my history, but didnt the US first encounter the Tiger in Africa? Am I wrong to remember it was in the Kasserine Pass? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noltyboy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Pardon my history, but didnt the US first encounter the Tiger in Africa? Am I wrong to remember it was in the Kasserine Pass? Yes but did they encounter one in Normandy is the question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJJ Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Pardon my history, but didnt the US first encounter the Tiger in Africa? Am I wrong to remember it was in the Kasserine Pass? No, you're correct. February 20, 1943 was when the Americans with their high-sillouhette M3 Lee and Grants met Tigers for the first time. The German tanks were commanded by Lieutenant General Heinz Ziegler. 44 of 51 of the 3rd Battalion, 1st Armored Regiment Sherman's were destroyed in one action. Not a good day for US tank commanders but then again their tactics were wrong ... they attempted one-on-one fights with the German armour, whereas the Germans attacked in wolf-packs of tanks that overwhelmed individuals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yes but did they encounter one in Normandy is the question. Precisely. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I dont deny it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 ok so is everyone googleing like crazy to try and find an answer then since its not been answered yet .... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Falaise pocket , USAF certainly encountered a few as did the US Navy ... remember seeing a few upside down as a result of naval shells ... so if the scope of the question is US in general then yes they did encounter a tiger in Normandy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Just to be picky, naval artillery would not have have been able to reach the Falaise pocket. But you did just jog my memory. I think some Tigers were committed to the Mortain counterattack. I do not recall that they made contact with US ground forces. As I recall, they were strafed by Allied fighter bombers—probably RAF—and were abandoned, in many cases with no damage. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yes but did they encounter one in Normandy is the question. Well the Tigers present were in SS PZAbt101 (Wittmann), SS PzAbt102 and PzAbt503 (1 coy Tiger 2) They all fought between Cean and Falaise. Basically they could avoid the encirclement in the area of Falaise. So the chance they were on a one on one fire fight with US troop is pretty low. But do we want only historical battles and scenarios? Or is it fun to play what if scenario’s too? But if people are a bit masochistic here we can ask BF to leave the shiny uber cool looking Tiger out this release and wait for it another 6 months until the Commonwealth release 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 But do we want only historical battles and scenarios? Or is it fun to play what if scenario’s too? Since you ask, most of my play has been of situations not strictly historical, but historically plausible. In other words, there may have never been this exact lineup on this exact terrain, but there could have been. So by that logic, while it would be plausible for US troops to be fighting SS in BN (if they were included), it is not plausible for them to be fighting against SS Tigers. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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