Vark Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Elvis, thanks for all your efforts, I now have a much better understanding of the game mechanics. Just one niggle, I like an uncluttered map so do you have to have the icons, or are they vital for the new spotting system? Here is a good summary of Cox's book, which is based on the 1974 Sandhurst wargame, simulating operation Sea lion (scroll down a little over halfway). There was a better page but cannot find it. http://warandgame.com/2010/01/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Anyone else find this pic with the GI stood on the crest of the hill beautiful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 But I thought the question was about pilots, not planes; and AFAIK Britain was running low on pilots... But you see the Luftwaffe was losing pilots at twice the rate the RAF was. It could not have maintained the same tempo of operations any longer. That was the critical reason why they switched to night operations. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Springelkamp Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just one niggle, I like an uncluttered map so do you have to have the icons, or are they vital for the new spotting system? In theory you can play without the icons, but you will miss a lot of sightings on the map during the replay - how will you notice that little figure in the bushes that was spotted by one of your soldiers. And selecting units becomes hard, especially when they are inside a vehicle. I have tried in Shock Force, but only for a very short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnersman Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Anyone else find this pic with the GI stood on the crest of the hill beautiful? Yes! I half expected to see the shadow of him all the way down the hill with some propaganda at the bottom of the pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yes! I half expected to see the shadow of him all the way down the hill with some propaganda at the bottom of the pic. Needs to be lofting a flag on a pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futon river crossing Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Where's tube guy when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yes! I half expected to see the shadow of him all the way down the hill with some propaganda at the bottom of the pic. I can imagine him sighing with relief knowing he's taken the hill and lived through the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I can imagine him sighing with relief knowing he's taken the hill and lived through the battle. and becoming already one of the most notorious CMBN characters by just carying a tube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 and becoming already one of the most notorious CMBN characters by just carying a tube Lol that's not tube guy is it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 Tube Guy is everywhere and no where at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Tube Guy is everywhere and no where at the same time. Is he the son of god so therefore...omnipresent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 Is he the son of god so therefore...omnipresent I was more thinking Q from Star Trek but that's just the geek in me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny(FGM) Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Do we get to see the new unit kill stats? Also, may just be me but does the amount of surrendering american troops seem to be quite high? By the looks of it they weren't cut off and were on the attack, seems like they should have run away rather than surrendered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I was more thinking Q from Star Trek but that's just the geek in me I'm thinking more Twelve Monkeys. Look carefully; he'll probably start showing up in other modules and games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 Do we get to see the new unit kill stats? Also, may just be me but does the amount of surrendering american troops seem to be quite high? By the looks of it they weren't cut off and were on the attack, seems like they should have run away rather than surrendered Yes, I do have some kill stat screen shots on the way. The condition of the units has a lot to do with the surrendering. The only ones that really surprised me were the ones on Hill 144. Then I went and looked at their condition and they were a mess. If I remember correctly they had only lost 1 man but their physical condition was exhausted, they were out of C2 and their morale was paniced. That is a recipe for arms up when a unit finds itself point blank with the enemy. When I post the final AAR screen you may be surprised at the number of men who actually did surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I was more thinking Q from Star Trek but that's just the geek in me Oh I remember Q what a brilliant charachter he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user38 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 The thing is of course Hitler didn't have to fight nearly as many people at once as he wound up doing. If Herman Goring wasn't the dumbest, drunkest, and most useless ex-fighter pilot in history the panzers would've rolled right over the Dunkirk beaches and captured the vast majority of the British expeditionary forces. If they had followed up in the Battle of Britain by not getting distracted with the attempt to burn down downtown London and kept hammering radar installations and airbases they could easily have invaded a vastly more demoralized Britain six months later. With Britain out of the war, the idiotic distractions in North Africa and the Balkans don't happen. An invasion of Russia that started on time and with Erwin Rommel leading the southern prong could've ended very differently. I will grant you this involves some of the perfect luck and judgment you're talking about, but it's certainly not violating any laws of physics. And yes the US might've been able to nuke the Germans into surrender eventually anyway. But that would've left us with a very different world. I have often had arguments with a chap at work over the turning point in WWII. His view is that Stalingrad was the turning point. My view is that it was the Battle of Britain. I had forgotten about the Dunkirk debacle and Goering's stupid boast that he could destroy the British Expeditionary Force with his airforce alone. And of course Stanlingrad would not have been the disaster it was without Goering's assurance that he could supply the entire 6th Army by air (do they not teach elementary mathematics in Germany?). I have revised my position. I am now of the view that the turning point in WWII came in 1922 when Goering first met Hitler and joined the Nazi party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatoichi Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Thanks Elvis - great job entertaining and providing tidbits of information throughout. I really appreciate the time and effort you've put into this - thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 User38, surely the turning point was when a psychological inadequate decided he had the ability to lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 User38, surely the turning point was when a psychological inadequate decided he had the ability to lead. Yeah, I was going to say that it was at whatever point, probably during the fighting in the trenches on the Western Front, that Hitler decided that war was the answer to all of life's problems. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Almost 100,000 views ... you must be doing something right lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Springelkamp Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Almost 100,000 views ... you must be doing something right lads With a thousand refreshes per user that is only 100 readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Michael, an interesting piece of research that suggests Hitlers Great War experiences were yet another Nazi invention. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/8006264/Adolf-Hitler-was-a-cowardly-pig-according-to-fellow-First-World-War-soldiers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmontgomery Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Michael, an interesting piece of research that suggests Hitlers Great War experiences were yet another Nazi invention. Now even Adolf Hitler is being "Swift-boated"? Is nothing sacred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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