Holien Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 Hi Scott, Just read Toms comments. Yep It helps big time when you are the attacker to know exactly what the defender has and where it might be. The game is balanced by Fog of War if played blind. And god does the defender need it. My point is that in my game the attacker used his artillery poorly and my point is that if the attacker uses his artillery well then this game is a hard one for the defender to win. It is great playing it again and seeing if my view was correct. However that view can always be changed when playing different people and with luck which is ever present in the game. H 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 Hi H! Santa lives here in Finland (in Korvatunturi) and he certainly will not leave before we Finns get the presents! Cheers, Ali 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 Ali stop sniffing around here and go and play with Rudolf.... H 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted December 15, 2002 Author Share Posted December 15, 2002 OK then, I'm hard at work crunching scores. Below is the input file I'm using. If you see an incorrect score for one of your games, speak up. The results will be posted within a couple hours. # Emilville_Exit Tero 13 Fate 87 Mikeydz 36 a1steaks 64 JonS 30 Big_X 69 Frunze 31 Juha_A 66 Heavy_Drop 26 Saport 66 Cuzn 9 TabPub 88 Mike8g 31 Wadepm 67 Cpl_Carrot 31 Strider 68 Jim_Liang 16 Visom 83 Michael_Reddy 54 Jack Trap 46 Ali 75 Lopaka 25 Holien 69 The_Capt 31 MickOZ 13 Combined_Arms 86 Spanish_Bombs 17 Kanonier_R 80 U8led 10 Jeb 90 Jon_L 22 Vadr 77 # Lab_Rats_In_Norway Tero 24 Boris 68 a1steaks 57 Cpt_T 43 mPisi 62 White4 38 Frunze 59 JonS 41 Big_X 12 Juha_A 88 Heavy_Drop 61 JJelinek 39 Mike8g 50 Cuzn 43 TabPub 14 Wadepm 86 Jim_Liang 44 Cpl_Carrot 48 Strider 21 Visom 79 Bertram 12 Jack Trap 88 Holien 36 Ali 64 Lopaka 47 The_Capt 45 Spanish_Bombs 50 MickOZ 50 Combined_Arms 37 Kanonier_R 63 Jon_L 69 U8led 31 Jeb 27 Vadr 58 # North_Of_Epron Boris 43 Fate 57 JonS 32 Juha_A 68 Big_X 69 Frunze 31 JJelinek 26 Saport 74 Hobo 66 Heavy_Drop 33 TabPub 78 Mike8g 22 Cpl_Carrot 60 Visom 36 Strider 23 Jim_Liang 77 EASY_V 29 Jack Trap 71 Bertram 50 Michael_Reddy 47 Ali 67 The_Capt 33 Lopaka 23 Holien 77 MickOZ 52 Kanonier_R 48 Combined_Arms 58 Spanish_Bombs 38 U8led 64 Vadr 36 Jeb 23 Jon_L 77 Treeburst155 out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted December 16, 2002 Author Share Posted December 16, 2002 Below are the Nabla scores for each individual scenario. With this list you can see who the "Scenario Champions" were. This may be of some interest to the non-prize eligible players. "Emilville Exit" Ali 1.15 Holien 1.11 Michael_Reddy 0.92 Jeb 0.85 TabPub 0.84 Fate 0.78 Combined_Arms 0.77 Visom 0.68 Kanonier_R 0.61 Vadr 0.44 Mikeydz 0.35 Frunze 0.15 Mike8g 0.12 Cpl_Carrot 0.09 Saport 0.02 JonS 0.02 Heavy_Drop -0.02 Big_X -0.02 Strider -0.09 Wadepm -0.12 Juha_A -0.15 a1steaks -0.35 Jon_L -0.44 Spanish_Bombs -0.61 Jim_Liang -0.68 MickOZ -0.77 Tero -0.78 Cuzn -0.86 U8led -0.87 Jack_Trap -0.98 The_Capt -1.42 Lopaka -1.60 "Labrats in Norway" Juha_A 1.05 Jack_Trap 1.05 Wadepm 1.03 Visom 0.93 Jon_L 0.82 Boris 0.80 mPisi 0.64 Vadr 0.62 Heavy_Drop 0.60 Ali 0.57 Kanonier_R 0.53 Frunze 0.53 a1steaks 0.46 Mike8g 0.30 Lopaka 0.18 Spanish_Bombs 0.12 Jim_Liang 0.00 Cpl_Carrot 0.00 MickOZ -0.12 The_Capt -0.18 Cuzn -0.30 Cpt_T -0.46 JonS -0.53 Combined_Arms -0.53 Holien -0.57 JJelinek -0.60 Jeb -0.62 White4 -0.64 Tero -0.80 U8led -0.83 Strider -0.99 TabPub -1.18 Big_X -1.23 Bertram -1.23 "North Of Epron" Jon_L 0.93 Jim_Liang 0.93 Holien 0.93 TabPub 0.89 Saport 0.88 Jack_Trap 0.83 Juha_A 0.76 Big_X 0.70 Ali 0.65 Hobo 0.63 U8led 0.55 Cpl_Carrot 0.48 Fate 0.43 Combined_Arms 0.41 MickOZ 0.01 Michael_Reddy 0.01 Kanonier_R -0.01 Bertram -0.01 Spanish_Bombs -0.41 Boris -0.43 Visom -0.48 Vadr -0.55 Heavy_Drop -0.63 The_Capt -0.65 Frunze -0.70 JonS -0.76 EASY_V -0.84 JJelinek -0.92 Mike8g -0.93 Strider -0.99 Lopaka -0.99 Jeb -0.99 Next, the final Nabla Scores of the prize eligible players, thus giving us our champions: Tourney One Ali...0.790 Holien...0.490 The_Capt...-0.750 Lopaka...-0.803 Tourney Two Kanonier Reichmann...0.377 Combined Arms...0.217 MickOZ...-0.293 Spanish Bombs...-0.300 Tourney Three Jon L...0.437 Vadr...0.170 Jeb...-0.253 U8led...-0.383 Congratulations to Ali, Kanonier Reichmann, and Jon L!! You three are the ROW II Champions! Ali and Kanonier will receive the wines, and Jon L will receive the three VCR war movies. WineCape and I will be in touch very soon to get your physical addresses. ______________________________________________ Note: A score of 1.0 would be a win at the level of the standard deviation from the median. A score of 0 would mean you were on the median. Negative scores mean below median. If you finished all three games (reported a score), and would like to know your final Nabla score, simply add your scores for each scenario (posted above) and divide by three. You may find you did rather well compared to the prize eligible players. Treeburst155 out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Congrats to all three... Now to get ready for my third attempt... As for Lab Rats... Let the debate begin... If we are allowed. H 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted December 16, 2002 Author Share Posted December 16, 2002 Hi Holien, Yes, I think we can move over to the scenario forum and start discussing these three battles. I do not know who the scenario designers are. Scott Boston or Kingfish will have to let us know this. Are you going to start the thread? Maybe a thread for each scenario would be better. Treeburst155 out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Done, As I was... (He He He) Thanks TB for all your efforts and time it is a big commitment and I do enjoy them. To play the games against such great opponents is the cream cake for me. The memories of White4 and the mountains, the battle against JK and his banter in the first one, the slow winter assualt with KF, the banter with CDIC and horror of the night, the speed with which Wolfie fell, the luck of non bogging stugs, the use of 88's, the damn Tigers and that fine chap from NZ.... I could go on and on, but all those are worth far more than a few bottles (as fine as they might be) from SA. Well thats what I will be saying to myself as I cry myself to sleep. Cheers and thanks for all the fish... H P.s. I just got a hug and a well done from my babe, she is going to comfort me.... Night all.... [ December 15, 2002, 06:08 PM: Message edited by: Holien ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 The bloodbath got even worse this turn, with many of my men being shot down like rabid dogs and Fate's losing some as well. All this was on my right. Where are Boris and Tero? Had I gotten but a few turns, Treeburst155 would at least have had BorisvsJK to score. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted December 16, 2002 Author Share Posted December 16, 2002 Don't worry about that, John. Just enjoy your tourney game(s). That's the real purpose of the tourneys anyway. Hopefully your two missing opponents will turn up. Treeburst155 out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vadr Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Congrats to the winners! Well played all! See you in RoW III! VAdr 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombinedArms Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Congrats to the winners, KR, Ali and JonL. Cheers to TB and WineCape for a very fun and well run tournament! On to ROW, where the Wrecking Crew (my proposed name) will meet again! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Avete victores! I can't speak for Fate's troops, but let me merely observe that many promotion opportunities are now available among mine, this the result of extraordinary devotion to duty in the face of fire worse than withering. Can anyone say CQB? Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunze Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Wow, I thought I got hosed in the finals, but I as far as Nabla scores, I'm barely below the median, and slightly better than I did in the regular season. Sure I lost as Allies in Emilville Exit, but so did everybody else, and they weren't playing against an UberFinn....I got no excuse for getting wiped out north of Epron, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted December 16, 2002 Author Share Posted December 16, 2002 Now it's time to announce the names of the scenario designers who brought you the final round. They are: Emilville Exit - Wyatt "wwb" Barnett Lab Rats In Norway - Kevin Kinscherf North of Epron - David "Stix" James Thanks, guys! Thanks also to the entire Boots & Tracks design team for making the tourney possible. The scenarios each have a separate thread on the scenario forum. Feel free to head on over and have your say about the scenarios. The feedback is always appreciated. Treeburst155 out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juha Ahoniemi Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Originally posted by Frunze: Sure I lost as Allies in Emilville Exit, but so did everybody else, and they weren't playing against an UberFinn....I got no excuse for getting wiped out north of Epron, though.I was Far from Uber myself :mad: -pointed to stupid self My infamous greed cost me another game (remember that mass-murderer StuG?) Hell, I don't know what else should I have done in that scenario. Of course I'm wondering what the hell others did! Anyway, I made a quick calculations about our "shadow finals"-section: Juha 1,66 Frunze -0,02 BigX -0.55 JonS -1,27 I think I must be pleased about my performance, but still... Methinks a rematch will be in order with You Frunze. Some day.... -Juha 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Carrot Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Well those results confirm everythign I said all along. I am an average player. Congrats to the winners. I hope you enjoy your wine/videos. Cpl Carrot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunze Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 You said your other two opponents surrendered to you. Sounds pretty Uber to me. And you did beat me in Emilville, just not badly enough to beat the median. Rematch? Sure. E-mail me if you want. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Cpl, I have my eye on you young Ladie.... You are the dark horse and to be watched carefully. H 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juha Ahoniemi Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Frunze, how about taking that rematch in CMBB? I sure could use some practice before ROWIII kicks in! I'll drop You email today... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineCape Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 CONGRATS TO ALI + KR + JON_L!!!!! Ali and KR, send me your full delivery address at WineCape@global.co.za]WineCape@global.co.za so that I can post your 6-bottle wine prizes. Do you guys want a mix of South African whites/reds, or just the former/latter? Let me know. A great thanks to all the participants for your participation and to Mike Meinecke, without whom this will not be possible at such pleasurable levels. RoW III (CMBB) is kicking off in Jan. '03, so hope to see some of you guys there battling it out on a new game platform. Sincerely, Charl Theron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- </font> Sponsor of the (now infamous) Invitational (Ari Maenpaa)</font> Sponsor of the 2 WineCape Tourneys (Fangorn’s Brazilian customs drank the wine prize up! + KiwiJoe)</font> Sponsor of the Nordic Championships in honor of Nabla (His scoring system revolutionized CM tourney play)</font> RoW I/II/III/~ tourney sponsor (Wreck/Ali+Kanonnier+Jon_L/~)</font> Grateful donateur to the drinking habits of BTS (Baldy received the Fat Bastard Chardonnay!)</font> ”Thank You” donation send to Manx (He used to run the “sexiest CMBO modsite on the net”)</font> Donation send to Team Boots & Tracks for their splendid RoW scenarios</font> Donation send to Gordon Molek for his outstanding CMMOS utility (Thereby making the installing of CM mods a breeze) </font> Sponsor-to-be of Pengville’s “Gamey Bastard” tourney (In honor of Seanachai + Lars for showing an act of kindness to an outerboarder - Well, bribery does pay.) </font>I have never read a review that made me less sure of humanity's ability to finish out the decade, let alone the next millenium. Obviously this 'Reviewer' [of CMBB] is capable of using a computer, and even finding employment (or at least the right to display their almost inspired lack of intelligence under the auspices of an organization), but it's equally clear that they're both incapable, and unashamed of their inability, to actually come to grips with something that requires more intelligent focus and mental participation than an arcade game. On this planet thousands are daily made homeless, crippled, and even killed in pointless and heart-rending incidents of political, ethnic and religious conflict. If any such incident had managed to whack this reviewer, we'd have to consider it worth the anguish –Seanachai, CMBB Forum, 10/12/2002. [ December 16, 2002, 06:52 AM: Message edited by: WineCape ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Thank you very much Mike for all your efforts in making the tournament happen and slavishly posting updates throughout as well as calculating the scores etc. It must be a labour of love because why else would you do it? One must also not forget Nabla who created the basis on which to score "unbalanced" scenario's in the first place. Thanks also to Charl for his generosity in providing such an impressive prize for being lucky enough to scrape through the 2nd round. I'm certainly looking forward to sampling some fine wines from South Africa (and comparing them with our fine local selection from the Barossa Valley & McLaren Vale). Finally, without the scenario's there would be no ROW II in the first place so the efforts of Kevin, Wyatt & Stix are also greatly appreciated in designing the field of battle in the first place... although I have a small bone to pick with Stix as I thought North of Epron was pretty brutal for the Germans! Regards Jim R. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick_Oz Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Just wanted to add my thanks to Mike, Carl and the intrepid scenario designers for another great tourney.... outstanding effort as usual! And don't listen to KR... as his opponent in North of Epron, I think his men didn't suffer nearly enough. And what an oversight, Jim, in not mentioning the Hunter and Margaret River in your ode to local Aussie vino! Typical South Australian chauvinism! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 Never heard of the Hunter Valley & Margaret River. Are they known for their beetroot growing areas? One area I should most definitely have mentioned was the Coonawarra however. The best damn reds in the world are produced there (not that I've tasted any South African wines yet so I may have to withold my judgement). Regards Jim R. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Bombs Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 Congrats to all the winners, and especially KR, whose victory I had no small part in contributing to. Thanks to TB, Winecape and the whole B&T team. I am fortunate that the bitter taste of defeat in the finals will soon be washed by the sweet taste of victory in ROW III. Or not. Either way it'll be a blast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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