Bruno Weiss Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 flamingknives wrote: I like the way the reviewer seems to think that the strengths and weaknesses of WWII equipment were added by BTS to make the game balenced.I thought they were added by the Geneva Convention to make the war balanced? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immacolata Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 I'll concede to one point: The game is hard to get into, in a dull way. That doesn't mean I dont like to play it, but Atomic managed to make their lovely games quite approachable, where as I found myself a bit bewildered when I started CM the first time. Now I have figured most of it out and enjoy the attention to detail and complexity of the game. But I believe Battlefront wouldn't die from a few lessons at The Charming School to make a more endearing first date for their future games. No need to dumb down or simplify. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Developer: CDV riiiiiiiiiiight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by Offwhite: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />...the formidable Panther tank is clad with thick armour at the front whilst the back is left open, meaning a well placed explosion at the back will render it obsolete. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunfat Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 I wrote the guy an email... I was reading your review of Combat Mission Barbarossa to Berlin when it occurred to me that the person writing the review has no idea how to play the game. Its pretty clear from your review that you have almost no experience with the CM engine, and therefore cannot write a credible review. IMHO it takes about a year of constant TCP/IP play to become proficient with the game. Yes, it is a steep learning curve, but it is tremendously rewarding. Although your review makes some valid points about the graphics, you should remember that the 3d engine is perhaps the least impressive feature of CM. Instead, you should focus your review on the depth of gameplay and the active CM community that avidly supports this sophisticated wargame. Its not something you just pick up and play, which is what you did, and dash off a quick review. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by yunfat: I wrote the guy an email... I was reading your review of Combat Mission Barbarossa to Berlin when it occurred to me that the person writing the review has no idea how to play the game. Its pretty clear from your review that you have almost no experience with the CM engine, and therefore cannot write a credible review. IMHO it takes about a year of constant TCP/IP play to become proficient with the game. Yes, it is a steep learning curve, but it is tremendously rewarding. Although your review makes some valid points about the graphics, you should remember that the 3d engine is perhaps the least impressive feature of CM. Instead, you should focus your review on the depth of gameplay and the active CM community that avidly supports this sophisticated wargame. Its not something you just pick up and play, which is what you did, and dash off a quick review.Yeah Baby! and the Fans of the Game are Rabbid and vocal and travel in packs as well! -tom w 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Immacolata wrote: I'll concede to one point: The game is hard to get into, in a dull way. That doesn't mean I dont like to play it, but Atomic managed to make their lovely games quite approachable, where as I found myself a bit bewildered when I started CM the first time.Now this is true. I remember the first time I drove a car, it was far more complicated than my old bicycle, which, in and of itself was a challenge following my little red tricycle. Everything is relative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japinard Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 I sent him a nasty note. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 CM isn't really a computer game at all. Wargames were around before computers, and CM is just a natural development of the wargame. Computer games belong to a different family tree altogether. Non wargamers have a hard time appreciating the difference. Some friends of mine asked me, oh you're STILL playing Combat Mission? I was like: what do you mean, do you STILL play CHESS? Do you STILL read BOOKS? Do you STILL have SEX? This is CLASSIC! They couldn't see my point To them, it's just a 'computer game'. The cretins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Pilot Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by Immacolata: I'll concede to one point: The game is hard to get into, in a dull way. That doesn't mean I dont like to play it, but Atomic managed to make their lovely games quite approachable, where as I found myself a bit bewildered when I started CM the first time. Now I have figured most of it out and enjoy the attention to detail and complexity of the game. But I believe Battlefront wouldn't die from a few lessons at The Charming School to make a more endearing first date for their future games. No need to dumb down or simplify.I have to disagree strongly with this statement. The first time I played CM, I was very impressed by how easy the interface works. Right click on a unit to select it and see the menu options and click to go or shoot somewhere. No need to learn obscure key combinations, just click and play. Obviously, there are a host of nuances that can only be picked up from the manual or through the grapevine (and make the game even more incredible than it already is), but those things don’t prevent you from rolling your King Tiger down the street and blasting whatever comes into view. I didn’t think there was any confusion when I first played CM, and found it to be one of the easiest games to get into without a manual. Ace 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 The review didn't even mention the new armor shields as indicated in the interface. How can I possible take the author seriously if he missed that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by Ace Pilot: Obviously, there are a host of nuances that can only be picked up from the manual or through the grapevine (and make the game even more incredible than it already is), but those things don’t prevent you from rolling your King Tiger down the street and blasting whatever comes into view.Just don't forgot that your formidable King Tiger may be iron clad in the front, iron clad on the sides, and even iron clad at the back, but it is left open at the top, where a well-placed explosion from an aeroplane might render it unto obsoletumdom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 I also found one of CM's great strengths to be its ease of use from the first time I played the CMBO demo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertston Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Just forget it guys, the idiot is just reviewing for his audience. "Combat Mission II is a different take on the RTS genre" Of course it bloody isn't. His ignorance is shown here, together with the ramblings about "RTS" and "TBS" - he has never played (or maybe even heard of) "wargames". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscript Bagger Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by CMplayer: CM isn't really a computer game at all. Wargames were around before computers, and CM is just a natural development of the wargame. Computer games belong to a different family tree altogether. Non wargamers have a hard time appreciating the difference. Some friends of mine asked me, oh you're STILL playing Combat Mission? I was like: what do you mean, do you STILL play CHESS? Do you STILL read BOOKS? Do you STILL have SEX? This is CLASSIC! They couldn't see my point To them, it's just a 'computer game'. The cretins.Whoops, time for a sig change! And go easy on Immacolata, guys... I had several years of wargaming experience and several months of reading this forum before firing up the CMBO Beta demo so many ages ago, and while the rudiments of fire and movement orders were certainly easy to pick up, it did take several games before I felt that I knew just what orders to give to obtain the desired results... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Nice to know CMplayer still considers sex a classic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Murray Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 The guy is entitled to his own opinion. Not everyone's going to fall madly in love with either CMBO or CMBB. When I first started playing CMBO it took me a few tries to get in to the game. I was so used to playing Close Combat. Also, many people don't have the patience to learn to play games like CMBO/CMBB. They want all action all the time. With first person shooters you don't have to plan ahead or carefully consider your moves ( both required in CMBO/CMBB ). Don't get me wrong. I enjoy games like Max Payne & Ghost Recon. They're fun, don't require a lot of thought and great for your reflexes ( plus it's fun to see some blood splatter from time to time ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Everyone knows that WWII tank designers left the rear of the tanks with less armor "clad" because they did not want the operators driving around the battlefields in reverse. That is Grog 101, everyone knows this, I'm surprised that the dope who wrote that review did'nt know this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Leader Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by CMplayer: Blather Oh, you're STILL playing COmbat Mission? Why don't you SEND ME A FECKING SET-UP YOU FINN-WANNABEE!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by Panzer Leader: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Originally posted by CMplayer: Blather Oh, you're STILL playing COmbat Mission? Why don't you SEND ME A FECKING SET-UP YOU FINN-WANNABEE!!</font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Leader Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 You're waiting for a turn from me?? Our last game ended before the freaking CMBB demo even came out?? What pray-tell are you waiting for, the medal-issuing turn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligur Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 The review is inspiring me to slap a review of "CM:BB, the FPS game that failed" upon the inter-web. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 How nice of you to bring up the sweet memories of our last battle. But no, in case you've forgotten YOU sent ME a setup, and I returned it in kind. So I'm expecting YOUR first move. It was Viipuri or something like that, and I've got a tank, formidably iron clad, and your squaddies are going to gush borscht before we're through with them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal DI FOLCO Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Ooooh, but he is right !! As a RTS CM is really not good, look : the game is frozen for a time, then the game doesn't respond to orders, then the game is frozen for a time, then the game doesn't respond to orders, then AGAIN the game is frozen for a time, then AGAIN the game doesn't respond to orders, ad nauseam !!!! What a dull bugged broken game ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gallear Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 The spotty little kid will not even have played his review copy - all wargames are dull and hard to get into by the trendy teen-somethings that come out of Uni want to do the pose and join the staff of a Computer game Mag of all things! I know I use to be a freelance reviewer myself - confessions, confessions! Forget about it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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