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Just now, Jiggathebauce said:

I imagine there are alternatives to enemy brutality besides playing nazis

And you most likely  have the luxury of being chair-bound with none of your friends/comrades being killed in a brutal fashion by the Russians . You expect them to abide by your ideas of what is nice and proper ?

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28 minutes ago, keas66 said:

And you most likely  have the luxury of being chair-bound with none of your friends/comrades being killed in a brutal fashion by the Russians . You expect them to abide by your ideas of what is nice and proper ?

Not making cheeky Nazi memes is a very low bar.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/DroneCombat/comments/1etwkio/ua_63rd_mechanized_brigades_23rd_rifle_battalion/

UA 63rd Mechanized Brigade's 23rd Rifle Battalion "Promin" drone team flew an FPV strike drone into a Russian infantry group riding on the back of a buggy, before returning to destroy the vehicle and one other vehicle with more FPV strike drones. Published August 16, 2024

 

The Russians seem to be stuck between bad choices in Kursk. They can try to push forces forward under the all seeing eye, or give ground.

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UA 225th Assault Battalion's "Pentagon" team posted interesting drone footage showing the group's destruction of a minefield on the UA-RU border, producing an impressive shockwave. Published August 16, 2024

 

Cool vid of breaching operation.

 

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4 hours ago, Bearstronaut said:

These kind of memes make me highly uncomfortable. Why play up a connection to the Wehrmacht when the other side’s information operations already paint Ukraine and NATO as Nazi Germany 2.0?

 

3 hours ago, keas66 said:

When the other side is decapitating  corpses of your own  ( dead ) soldiers  ?

What does one have to do with the other?  Not wishing to be associated with nazis used to be de rigeur.

The video itself is pretty funny at first glance (if you aren't German) by its objective similarity to past events to any outsider.  Not wanting to suggest that is a positive thing, or something that should be strengthened (perhaps stoking German reticence toward any actions that might look parallel though having a different objective) is a reasonable point of view, and does not depend on whether the opposition is comminting war crimes.

 
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A good article in the Washington Post about the conscript prisoners.  They were granted access to one of the prisons that holds those captured from Kursk.  The head of the prison said they received 320 prisoners in the first 10 days of the offensive and only 20% of those were contract/professionals, the rest conscripts.  Some interesting personal accounts of being captured, including several that tried for days to get back to friendly lines and were instead captured.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/16/ukraine-russia-soldiers-conscripts-kursk/

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If I were in Moscow, I'd start walking in the street.  Never know what (or who) might fall out a window.

 

Vladimir Putin begins 'purge' of top generals after he accused Nato of playing part in Kursk invasion (msn.com)

 

Vladimir Putin is set to launch a 'purge' of his top generals following the Ukrainian incursion into Kursk.

The Russian president is set to wield the axe against Kremlin army chiefs after their failures in Kursk, which led to the loss of 400 square miles of home soil.

Former Ukrainian adviser Anton Gerashchenko has claimed that sources within Russia indicated that "criminal cases are being prepared" for top military brass.

There are reports that Putin is particularly angry at Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov, who was suspiciously missing from Moscow's crunch Security Council meeting last Friday.

Pro-Russian Telegram channels also seemed to note his absence from the emergency meeting as Ukraine's forces pushed deeper into Russia, with one saying: "Observe who is here and who is not."
Another Telegram channel claimed Gerasimov was warned about a possible Kursk invasion as early as two weeks before it happened.

Head of the economic cooperation department at the foreign ministry Dmitry Birichevsky said economic sanctions imposed by the West on Russia will remain in place for decades, even if there is a peaceful settlement in Ukraine.

He said: "This is a story for decades to come. Whatever the developments and results of a peaceful settlement in Ukraine, it is, in fact, only a pretext...the sanctions were first introduced much earlier. Their ultimate goal is unfair competition."

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42 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said:

including several that tried for days to get back to friendly lines and were instead captured.

 

They meant to say they hid in some farmers cellar until the food and booze were gone. But if they are going to get exchanged I give them full points for playing the game well.

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8 minutes ago, sburke said:

The Russian president is set to wield the axe against Kremlin army chiefs after their failures in Kursk, which led to the loss of 400 square miles of home soil.

This is the kind of thing that can get a dictator killed sometimes.  Make the millitary think there's no way out.  Putin's done a good job so far of purging any general who was getting popular.  But what if one of the generals decides to turn his regiment or brigade onto the road to moscow?  The RU military didn't stop the hated Prig-Wagnerites, would they stop their own?  I suspect that if someone could just get the fire started, there'd be no stopping it.  Everyone with half a brain in the RU army knows that sooner or later they are dead on the front or, if higher up, dead by Putin.  It could end up like Napolean's march north from the Med after his first exile

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Large article but this stuck out, an example about a popular commander supported by the troops that made a mistake despite said support. 

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On the evening of 28 July, soldiers from the 80th Brigade contacted Ukrainska Pravda with a rather sudden request for us to publish an appeal in support of their then commander, Colonel Emil Ishkulov, who was facing dismissal.

"All that was known about this command decision was that Ishkulov, who respects the military hierarchy, had refused to carry out a task set by Oleksandr Syrskyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He said it was disproportionate to the human resources of the brigade. A couple of days later, on 6 August, it became clear exactly what Ishkulov had refused to do when Ukrainian forces – including the 80th Brigade, under the leadership of a new commander, Pavlo Rozlach – went on a raid into Russian territory."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2024/08/14/7470441/

 

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11 hours ago, ArmouredTopHat said:

Meanwhile on the other side...
 

Its disturbing that such mutilation of AFU soldiers has become so common. Honestly f*ck these bastards. 

The Russians are systematically awful from the top down, as a matter of state policy, and far to many of them seem to enjoy it. Having said that, and looking back at the end of WW2, we hung about one percent of the Germans that deserved it, may be less. But eighty years on it is hard to argue that mercy, even undeserved mercy, was the wrong course. Even bad people mostly behave if you build a good system. So you have to start by asking what will let you build a decent system. I don't know how to fix Russia, not a clue, other than the old joke about I wouldn't start from here. 

But I do know what Ukraine needs first and worst. They need to the Russians to quit and leave. Now there are two sides of that coin. One is that every Russian soldier that is still fighting needs to think every minute, of every day, that he is going to die miserably and soon, without so much a grave marker for the burnt and scattered pieces. But the other side of that coin is encouraging mass surrenders, because that, and/or a coup in Moscow, is what will make it STOP.

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3 hours ago, sburke said:

Former Ukrainian adviser Anton Gerashchenko has claimed that sources within Russia indicated that "criminal cases are being prepared" for top military brass.

Not a good source (if only one used in this article), he is UA propagandists. That being said, there will probably be people "responsible" for Kursk debacle after some time. More probably recent rochades are connected to overall cleaning and optimizing military by Bielousov.

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13 hours ago, kimbosbread said:

I agree with Kraze, and would go further. Make the POWs erect an Aztec pyramid, put a fighting disc and at the top, and make them fight 1:1 to the death, and ppv it to fund for drones.

EDIT: Treating Russian prisoners like people doesn’t seem to encourage surrender that often. Otherwise we’d have seen more of it in the past.

It doesn’t because Ukrainians exchange them back for Ukrainian prisoners. The Russians are not afraid of what Ukrainians will do to them. They are afraid of what other Russians will do to them once they are exchanged back.
That’s how things roll in a slave-soldier army. 

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2 hours ago, Carolus said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DroneCombat/s/Eb0K9sBHAj

Hopefully this doesn't embed due to the autoplay issue.

So, someone taped an AK to a drone. Not sure if they reached practical usage level for this yet, but it looks scary.

It is a joke. There is no way to use the AK gun sight while piloting the drone, so they will not hit anything. The sound may be scary, though

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