Offshoot Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) When micro meets macro? During the intimate interaction between Russian soldiers, the truck passes a sign saying "We are one people". Edited November 9, 2022 by Offshoot 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) Here's perhaps the first confirmation of UA actually gaining ground today. I think we can safely assume that RU is indeed retreating now: And UA flag over Snihurivka! Edited November 9, 2022 by Huba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Big if true ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MonkeyKing Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, Pete Wenman said: Big if true ! Big if RUS managed to do it so orderly as it now seems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) Now folks watch how the Kremlin narration will unfold, it is very interesting case study of spin: 1. Zakharova in weekly briefing states that Russia is open to negotiations on "reality basis"; visibly different tone than usual. Tankies/pacifists/"realists"/business tycoons around the world rejoice. 2. Russia withdraw from Kherson, playing the victim. This time "Goodwill Gesture" is very well prepared from propaganda standpoint. Beforementioned rejoice even more, push for giving something to Russia. 3.Ukrainians dont' give a flying flamingo about negotiations, come in, firmly demand all territories be given back. 4. Zhelensky becomes warmonger. Open tankies are outraged, appeaser/sceptical governments are scholzing about "unconstructive attitude" of Ukrainian leadership. 5. Putin has some benefits from whole situation; pressure on Ukraine increase. Not a victory, but also not total defeat. Edited November 9, 2022 by Beleg85 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: Now folks watch how the Kremlin narration will unfold, it is very interesting case study of spin: 1. Zakharova in weekly briefing states that Russia is open to negotiations on "reality basis"; visibly different tone than usual. Tankies/pacifists/"realists"/business tycoons around the world rejoice. 2. Russia withdraw from Kherson, playing the victim. This time "Goodwill Gesture" is very well prepared from propaganda standpoint. Beforementioned rejoice even more, push for giving something to Russia. 3.Ukrainians dont' give a flying flamingo about negotiations, come in, firmly demand all territories be given back. 4. Zhelensky becomes warmonger. Open tankies are outraged, appeaser government are scholzing about "unconstructive attitude" of Ukrainian leadership. 5. Putin has some benefits from whole situation; pressure on Ukraine increase. Not a victory, but also not total defeat. "I have returned one of your 6 children I kidnapped, so now let's have peace" UKR: you did return the child, we took it back from you by force. Return the rest "Warmonger! We'll nuke you and all your friends!" But this is great news about Kherson. I am wondering how much actual planning has occurred, obviously some w the bridges being blown. But I also wonder if RU saw the front collapsing, not by choice, and this was a contingency plan for that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, Pete Wenman said: Big if true ! Fog Eating Snow - it is slow...until it becomes fast. If true, it does show the RA may be learning as this looks like it avoids the uncontrolled collapse that happened around Kharkiv. But the amount of hardware and resources left behind will determine if this was a Dunkirk or not. Either way it would appear - again if confirmed - that the UA has solved for offence in two operations now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 looking like it could be happening P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Pete Wenman said: Big if true ! russians die in hundreds daily for bits of ground, they are ready to keep dying for nothing as long as it serves the "greater purpose" - but losing what they stole is never it. I would hardly believe it's not some kind of trap for which they've been preparing for months. Hope our MoD knows better. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Pale Surovikin in very martial mood, Shoigu looking like old tired teacher counting days and hours to retirement. Atmosphere of the gathering can be cut with a knife.: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I wonder how many RU men and how much RU material is on the wrong side of those blown bridges? I am skeptical that RU can pull off a proper withdrawal. Plus, do they have the freight capability to remove a huge number of troops quickly across that big river? And if they do have an actual professional withdrawal plan, what are the chances that the poor, untrained mobiks left as rearguards won't just panic & run or simply surrender? Kherson will probably be filled w destroyed infrastructure and booby traps but hopefully UKR won't suffer any casualties clearing it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Of course it could be another Russian lie? Let's see what happens and hope for a monumental FU. Maybe the Russians are pants? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/6/2022 at 12:26 PM, Beleg85 said: Intresting, famous Russian soldier with crushed leg taken prisoner and other famous scene of Ukranians shooting other in the toilet are from the same incident: https://twitter.com/jabuttee/status/1589342208846876672 Btw. it is interesting illustration of intense "cat and mouse" battles in Kupyansk sgt. Krzysztof X wrote about. Kraken was surely there. {ED} Worth to watch, despite being controversial unit Kraken has very good PR, need to admitt. Note how ca. 13:45 they successfully counter Russian ambush with hail of bullets, pretty close fighting. Also intensivity of MOUT and room clearance is evident. I had Tuesday night free of religious obligations (NFL football watching) so took the time to watch this whole video. It's quite good. One thing I noticed is how many of the soldiers had US supplied rifles, which I had not noticed in most other videos, though may have just missed that. These guys mostly had very nice, new looking gear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Holien said: Of course it could be another Russian lie? Let's see what happens and hope for a monumental FU. Maybe the Russians are pants? Could be some kind of RU lie, but doesn't seem to make much sense to lie about this. The political humiliation is already there. I'd think they would lie they other way, saying they were not withdrawing. Maybe they will keep some units in Kherson city? But the blowing of the bridges seems to indicate this is real. Hopefully lots of soldiers caught on wrong side of those bridges. The river crossing stations could be an absolute disaster as panicked troops crowd the shore. Mobs & artillery are a deadly mix. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinkin Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I little from 10 miles high: https://www.realcleardefense.com:/articles/2022/11/09/do_not_underestimate_ukraines_resilience_to_bombing_863906.html Russian President Vladimir Putin is indeed correct that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a competitive test of wills, but he has misidentified the respective centers of gravity. It is not a trial of resolve between the Ukrainian and Russian people, the latter of whom are largely insulated from the horrors of war, if not most of the economic sanctions. Rather it is a test between the Ukrainian nation, which is committed to independence, versus the far more limited motivation of the conscripted Russian army, which, when its will is eventually broken, will lead it to overthrow Putin in a coup. The Russian bombing of Ukraine is an act of political desperation. PS: the writers are new to me. But the essay is pretty complete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Rabb Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 AN-225: Plans to rebuild world's largest plane confirmed Some more good news. As a fan of aviation the destruction of the Mriya saddened me very much. I hope to see this plane rebuilt and flying around the world again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Pete Wenman said: Big if true ! At risk of bringing US politics in: there's little enough change in the makeup of the US government that Vlad realizes he can count on Ukraine getting two more years of essentially the same support they've been getting. And there's no way the RA can survive that. For maybe the 3rd time since Feb 24 they're recognizing the reality of a macro situation. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 25 minutes ago, kevinkin said: I little from 10 miles high: https://www.realcleardefense.com:/articles/2022/11/09/do_not_underestimate_ukraines_resilience_to_bombing_863906.html Russian President Vladimir Putin is indeed correct that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a competitive test of wills, but he has misidentified the respective centers of gravity. It is not a trial of resolve between the Ukrainian and Russian people, the latter of whom are largely insulated from the horrors of war, if not most of the economic sanctions. Rather it is a test between the Ukrainian nation, which is committed to independence, versus the far more limited motivation of the conscripted Russian army, which, when its will is eventually broken, will lead it to overthrow Putin in a coup. The Russian bombing of Ukraine is an act of political desperation. PS: the writers are new to me. But the essay is pretty complete. I would argue that the game being played here is much, much bigger than this. This is a contest of wills between Russia and the western global order, the stakes are so much higher than the single nation of Ukraine. They speak to the course our species will chart for the rest of the century. If the western global order is finished we are back to the anarchy of states and then a power competition to create a new order which will likely make Ukraine look like a "minor border skirmish". 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ringo Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Beleg85 said: Pale Surovikin in very martial mood, Shoigu looking like old tired teacher counting days and hours to retirement. Atmosphere of the gathering can be cut with a knife.: This seems staged, almost like actors in a high school play. Why this--why such a public announcement? Have we seen situations like this being broadcast by the Russians previously? Maybe it's just me, but this just seems like another BS poorly executed Russian video for some as yet to be known Russian ploy. That will fail. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Looking more legit, mainstream starting to pick it up: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/russians-withdrawing-from-key-position-in-southern-ukraine-1.6145255 If it is a ploy it is an odd one. It is not like the RA can hide an armoured division waiting in the tall grass. I guess UA recon will be the first to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Harmon Rabb said: AN-225: Plans to rebuild world's largest plane confirmed Some more good news. As a fan of aviation the destruction of the Mriya saddened me very much. I hope to see this plane rebuilt and flying around the world again. It's a monumental waste of money that we can't and should not afford. Wasting half a billion dollars on a plane that was never profitable and would fly twice a year is even ethically wrong at this point. Especially since we are donating to buy winter uniforms for our soldiers and many of them aren't getting paid for 3 months because MoD is heavily under budget. Edited November 9, 2022 by kraze 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, Billy Ringo said: This seems staged, almost like actors in a high school play. Why this--why such a public announcement? Have we seen situations like this being broadcast by the Russians previously? Maybe it's just me, but this just seems like another BS poorly executed Russian video for some as yet to be known Russian ploy. That will fail. My guess? No-one wants to have to order the pull out only to find out afterwards he is the one this defeat is being pinned on. So we get this song and dance where everyone is shown to be on the same page. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theforger Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 3:03 PM, The_Capt said: And finally the peice by Karber - the guy actually got so close he got hit in an MLRS strike: https://prodev2go.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/rus-ukr-lessons-draft.pdf In this peice Karber goes on at length at the effectiveness of the BTG and the emerging "Russian way of War this was a decent prediction... "Nevertheless, Putin seems determined to make Ukraine an example – possibly seizing a land bridge to Crimea, or even extend Moscow’s control of Novorossiaya all the way to Transnistria." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On road at the moment, but gotta say I'm driving around smiling right now Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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