Kinophile Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 @poesel is 100% correct re the heat ****ing the beams internal structure. You could drive a train, slowly, maybe. But every wagon passing over will strain those beams like crazy. It's quite realistic that if the RUS do go "full retard" and restart heavy loaded trains then the railway span will start to warp and twist. Keep doing it and theyll have an unplanned rapid dissembly event. And it would be easily as destructive as another missile strike. Winter weather will make things even worse. Ivan being Ivan, UKR could quite conceivably leave the bridge alone, interdict any attempted repairs, let trains pass and watch the bridge eventually rip itself apart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 If I was Ukraine, I would strike Saki or Sevastopol or some other place on Crimea again to further the "I'm not locked here with you, you're locked here with me" message and watch the panic when suddenly everyone wants out of Crime but can't. Buuuuut it might seem like too much of an escalation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Letter from Prague said: If I was Ukraine, I would strike Saki or Sevastopol or some other place on Crimea again to further the "I'm not locked here with you, you're locked here with me" message and watch the panic when suddenly everyone wants out of Crime but can't. Buuuuut it might seem like too much of an escalation. Hitting the port at Sevastopol would be a big deal, but it's a very legitimate target and the message is more "you've made some poor life choices" than it is an escalation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 minute ago, FancyCat said: Definitely a case for hitting it again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Any thoughts on this, coming as it does from a Ukrainian communications officer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mattias said: Any thoughts on this, coming as it does from a Ukrainian communications officer? suicide move for Lukashenko. No way is he going to commit to this considering the risk and he has nothing to gain by it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) Putin's 70th really sucked as far as birthdays go. Slovak defense minister «congratulates» Putin by sending two self-propelled howitzers to help Ukraine (msn.com) Edited October 9, 2022 by sburke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, sburke said: suicide move for Lukashenko. No way is he going to commit to this considering the risk and he has nothing to gain by it. My thoughts too, basically. Potential he could have come under even more severe pressure from the Tsar though. I doubt Starsky has enough impact to be able to influence anything, should it be a targeted psyops move. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVulture Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Mattias said: Any thoughts on this, coming as it does from a Ukrainian communications officer? Considering all the faff Lukashenko went through resisting the pressure from Russia to get involved at the start of the war, when it was believable (to many media commenters at least) that Russia might win, I don't see him getting involved now when Russia is clearly the underdog at the moment. So it's probably just a warning to Lukashenko: "you're not going to catch us off guard; we see what you're doing". Just as an added but of incentive for him to do nothing, or his army to tell him where to stuff it if he does do something stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mattias said: My thoughts too, basically. Potential he could have come under even more severe pressure from the Tsar though. I doubt Starsky has enough impact to be able to influence anything, should it be a targeted psyops move. Remember folks, Luka is doing everything to not get involved in this war. These threats are directly correlated to Putin putting pressure on him. In such instance he will rattle with sabre a little, throw extra migrants on Polish border, move some troops around etc. After which everything usually calms down- we had already 3-4 situations of "imminent Belarussian invasion" before that looked very seriously. Ironically, he is more rational than Putin in this dance- if his military would join the fray, his whole system can collapse.And that could lead to uncontrolled outcomes for both him and Russia. Also, regarding Lord of the Rings... https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1579153820349001730 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: Also, regarding Lord of the Rings... https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1579153820349001730 man that is quite a way to toss a cigarette butt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Meanwhile, in Lymań area there are first exhumations ongoing: https://twitter.com/LachowskiMateus/status/1579177068914700288 "First 20 bodies belong to civilians including kids and soldiers. Graves were created during Russian occupation of the city. There are two areas with possibly around 200 bodies awaiting to be recovered. Second area seem to be belong to Ukrainian soldiers". There was also brutal, short video from Kupyansk of civilian bodies being thrown into hole in the ground today, which I will not post here. It was reportedly taken from cellphone of one of Russian soldiers before Ukrainians recaptured the city. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: There was also brutal, short video from Kupyansk of civilian bodies being thrown into hole in the ground today, which I will not post here. It was reportedly taken from cellphone of one of Russian soldiers before Ukrainians recaptured the city. Hope they got the phone from a corpse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraft Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 3 hours ago, keas66 said: I'm enjoying some of these "Historical" unit reviews : Oh I really hope one of the many talented scenario makers will create something with this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: Meanwhile, in Lymań area there are first exhumations ongoing: https://twitter.com/LachowskiMateus/status/1579177068914700288 "First 20 bodies belong to civilians including kids and soldiers. Graves were created during Russian occupation of the city. There are two areas with possibly around 200 bodies awaiting to be recovered. Second area seem to be belong to Ukrainian soldiers". There was also brutal, short video from Kupyansk of civilian bodies being thrown into hole in the ground today, which I will not post here. It was reportedly taken from cellphone of one of Russian soldiers before Ukrainians recaptured the city. I am really hoping they can ID his unit. They need special GMLRS attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) Mylove now presumably the front line on the far right flank of the Kherson bridgehead. (The bridge is just north of the town.) Edited October 9, 2022 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 25 minutes ago, Letter from Prague said: Hope they got the phone from a corpse. I hope not- finding perpetrators directly involved in all those atrocities will be difficult enough. I'd prefer the bastard to be alive and singing names. He can be put to justice later. Unfortunatelly as is the case in many other places long occuppied by muscovites, identifing them can be hard. Soldiers come and go, and finding individuals during war time is hellishly difficult. One wonder why those people are so happy when liberated. I just saw short document in Polish TV, with reporter travelling freshly liberated villages and towns in Kherson. On average, every smaller village had several raped girls or women including older ones (ID was often covered by locals, so some of those crimes will likely stay "village secrets"- i.e. overal number of rapes is probably underreported), many people were severly beaten and shot to confess where their belongings were. As of now, collective executions seem to be more rare than in Kyiv area or simply Russians have more time to cover them up. Many local leaders, people connected to army or pre-invasion activists are lost, though. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, poesel said: Ok, I amend that to 'standing or very slow'. Hmm, maybe it was that slow because of heavy winds? You see trains standing or going slow all the time, all around the world. I think it's basically a scheduling problem - if the train ahead is a bit slow or delayed then ... what are you gonna do, pass it? Add to that work on the tracks any number of kms ahead which slows throughput, etc. Edited October 9, 2022 by JonS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, JonS said: You see trains standing or going slow all the time, all around the world. I think it's basically a scheduling problem - if the train ahead is a bit slow or delayed then ... what are you gonna do, pass it? Add to that work on the tracks any number of kms ahead which slows throughput, etc. Aye, and big trains of oil tanks don't go very fast even when they're at full throttle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Be advised, pro-Russians are claiming the recent videos are atrocities committed by Ukrainians. WARNING, link below is a SA survivor recounting her ordeal being tortured by FSB in Izyum. Interestingly, the Russian appointed mayor of Izyum was implicated. We don't hear too much (or at least I don't) about occupation officials being active participants in war crimes, so it was interesting to see this mayor mentioned. https://wapo.st/3SUfQLR 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 I think this article contains photos of the bridge that were not posted so far: https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000139809205/der-brand-der-krim-bruecke-in-bildern 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 An example of why people should be careful of Twitter theorists: There's so much wrong with his analysis that it was a boat I don't even know where to start! The one thing he probably got right is that the bridge section was lifted up by the explosion. Hot Wheels Track Theory However, the thought that a tiny boat, designed to blow a hole in a ship (e.g. vertical surface) could do that much lifting is nonsense. The discussions here have been far better informed because so many of us are into sims. We understand physics to some degree and further know that physics is important. To me, this guy above is the same sort of guy who would have concluded a cope cage could defeat a Javelin. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 No point arguing with people who are right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, akd said: Mylove now presumably the front line on the far right flank of the Kherson bridgehead. (The bridge is just north of the town.) If the above map, and google's distance measurement are correct AFU only needs about ten more kilometers from that notch with Bizemenne at the bottom of it for the 52 caliber SPGs to range the dam. I expect the Russians to hold hard though, because they obviously understand that regular 155 on the dam is the end of the party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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