Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Interestingly, RU started talking about losing Izum soon, just like they were talking about losing Kupyansk few days before losing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Documentary on Bureviy (the Ukrainian upgraded BM-27 Uragan) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) If you see a white crossed vehicle, it's an Ukrainian one. If you see a white Z vehicle, it's a fleeing russian one. And if you don't see anything... It's the 3AK counter-attack ! Edited September 10, 2022 by Taranis 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Girkin admitted UKR won Battle for Initiative. RU suffered operation crisis that is becoming both operational defeat and strategic crisis. Says Oskil river is very shallow this time and passable by vehicles (meaning UKR can push in eastern part of Kupyansk if they want). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Interesting RU claim, that Izum is gone. No any other details but if true I would say RU either is abandoning Izum or already abandoned it. Or UKR took Lyman or road from Izum under control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosuri Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Taranis said: If you see a white crossed vehicle, it's an Ukrainian one. If you see a white Z vehicle, it's a fleeing russian one. And if you don't see anything... It's the 3AK counter-attack ! A clock moving forward: tik-tak Russian army moving backward: tak-tik (originally a German WW2 joke) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 What a pain! What a pain! Argentine - Jamaica 3:0! They are discussing execution of RU command. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Now they are promising to make real war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 RU Nats are experiencing additional pain - Moscow is celebrating Moscow day right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Grigb said: Now they are promising to make real war. geez, talk about just being plain stubborn or as Andy Dufresne might have said - obtuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Grigb said: Girkin admitted UKR won Battle for Initiative. (Dmitri) Baghdad Bob can finally retire. Edited September 10, 2022 by LongLeftFlank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, sburke said: geez, talk about just being plain stubborn or as Andy Dufresne might have said - obtuse. No, we can forget it. Big Serge says it's all a trap.... https://bigserge.substack.com/p/ukraine-counterattacks Ukraine cannot and will not reach meaningful objectives - what we call “operational depth” [where you begin to destroy his ability to sustain and deploy forces altogether] - and has in fact thrown much of its carefully crafted premium reserves into a dangerous position.... Ukraine will find itself in a good old fashioned shootout against an enemy with vastly superior firepower. It seems capturing the front commander, a bunch of supermodern air defence gear and all kinds of ammo dumps isn't operational enough or sumfink. Edited September 10, 2022 by LongLeftFlank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeleban Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 it seems that there is also an offensive by Ukrainian troops north of Kharkov 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, Grigb said: Now they are promising to make real war. What? They will have to use another "joke" other than "Ukraine is winning only on social media"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) I'm just going to leave this here (it's from a 2018 book) Edited September 10, 2022 by Calamine Waffles 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, kraze said: Edited September 10, 2022 by Mattias 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Mashkovets report RU Izum grouping reatreating east. There are some reports UKR crosses Oskil. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Grigb said: Now they are promising to make real war. I mean I admit it was pretty surreal war up until now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 There's rumint that Lyman is under assault, or even that the Russians are routed. I suppose the next Ukrainian objective would be to take positions alongside the Zherebets river? Or stick to a defensive line from Oskii to Lyman, send units to regroup before redeployment elsewhere on the front? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Or two pronged drive on Svatove, from Kupyansk and from Lyman? Pursuing retreating orcs sounds like a right thing to do now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) I believe the first (and minimal) objective is to ensure Kharkiv can never be threatened again. After that is to pursue the Russians as much as possible in order to not allow them to consolidate and regroup. So they will look for the weakest points and try to punch through and exploit the brittle Russian lines and their lack of depth in the region. It will take a few days to weeks for the Russians to redeploy forces from possibly the Bakhmut axis to try and stop the offensive, so time is of the essence. Highly unlike the Ukrainians will stop at a set point, they will push as far as they can. Edited September 10, 2022 by Calamine Waffles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 There seems to be a recurring pattern of people who live safely thousands of kilometers away from Russia telling people who live right next to it how they should feel and what they should do about Russians. People who have no personal experience and aren't (and never will be threatened) in any way chastising people who had to live with Russian terror for generations. Their "just give Russians another chance" is other people's "our children born this year will face next war Russia starts as teenagers and adults". Sacrificing yourself for your humanist values is fine, but asking other people to sacrifice themselves (and their safety, their lives, their children's lives) for your values, while cushily living far away is very much not fine. It is easy to be a saint in Paradise, but don't put the same standard on those living in Hell. And moreover, where were all these defenders of human rights when Bucha happened? Where will they be once we see more crimes against humanity in liberated territories? Why is it they always care more about protecting the bullies from vengeance than protecting the bullied from the bullies? Because it almost feels like I'm hearing some people of the West (not necessarily in this thread, that's why am not quoting anyone) say "let's give Russians few more second changes and it's fine if they murder and rape and torture few hundred thousand Eastern Europeans while getting it right" and it is completely rotten attitude, opposite of being humane as it claims. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Huba said: Or two pronged drive on Svatove, from Kupyansk and from Lyman? Pursuing retreating orcs sounds like a right thing to do now. We don’t want Ukraine to overextend itself tho. That’s 100km in a week? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FancyCat said: We don’t want Ukraine to overextend itself tho. That’s 100km in a week? You have to remember that the density of forces involved on both sides is fairly small. It's more about being able to maintain cohesion and getting supplies through, almost like with maritime warfare and convoys. So you should not be worrying so much about "overextending" but more with maintaining lines of supply and knowing where your enemy's forces are or are not. The Ukrainians are actually the safest when they are moving because then the poor Russian ISR will have a much, much harder time targeting them. The moment they stop for a prolonged period is when the Russians can start to bring their artillery etc. to bear. Edited September 10, 2022 by Calamine Waffles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MonkeyKing Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Izium and Lyman gone: Seems only limit for Ukraine now is their own ability to exploit this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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