How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

[panzermartin]

6 minutes ago, Haiduk said:

21 minutes ago, panzermartin said:

This looks pretty interesting and well executed for its age

In some scences you can see soldiers with AK-47 rifles or IS-3 tanks

That's nothing compared to the M47s as King Tigers in the (around the same date - 1965) battle of the bulge movie! 

[panzermartin]

4 minutes ago, Huba said:

Wel, to say it has a cult status is an understatement. A few generations of Poles were raised on it, most actors made huge careers and it was an export hit very popular in the whole Warsaw Pact.  I have no idea how many times I sang the opening song while drunk with my buddies

It is available online, and Youtube's auto- translated subtitles are reasonably good:

Authentic "Rudy 102" tank they used for filming, a T34-85 with one side cut open for the cameras is on display in the armor museum in my city:

Bigger gallery

https://gloswielkopolski.pl/muzeum-broni-pancernej-w-poznaniu-jedna-z-atrakcji-czolg-rudy-102-z-serialu-czterej-pancerni-i-pies-zdjecia/ga/c1-14483589/zd/3921617

And museum webpage:

https://muzeumbronipancernej.pl/

Amazing! Thanks Huba. 

I've watched many old war films from the soviet era and I find them very well crafted, (with actually not so much party propaganda as well). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Huba]

37 minutes ago, panzermartin said:

Amazing! Thanks Huba. 

I've watched many old war films from the soviet era and I find them very well crafted, (with actually not so much party propaganda as well). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're in for a treat then  There's 20+ hours of this show (or even more, I don't recall exactly), and it's really fun if you can swallow it being so black and white - both literally and figuratively. As a bonus, there's young Pola Raksa running around:

 

Edit: And the movie about Warsaw Uprising, you asked, is called Kanał ("Canal" or "Sewer"). This one can't be called "fun", its rather sad and depressing, but very good:

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Huba

[Haiduk]

UKR troops are completing the withdrawal from Lysychansk.

Looks like troops from the north-west of the city are withdrawing to south in expecting own queue to move out. Russians yesterday crossed Siverskyi Donets river and seized Privillia and Shypylivka villages. There is unknown how they did it - with pontoons or just on vehicles or boats. First attaempt of crossing or engineer recon  for crossing reportedly took place on 29th of June. Also unknown there was some clashes for theese villages after crossing or no. 

UKR troops still hold southtern and south-werstrn outskirts of Lysychansk, maintiaining withdrawal of main part of Lysychansk group. Main clashes are ongoing around zhelatin factory in 4 km from southern outskirts of the city, on oil rafinery near Verhniokamyanka village and on approaches to Verkniokayanske village

Russian troops advance on Lysychansk from the south with two groups. First, so called "north Popasna group": one PMC BTG and two BTGs of 1st MRB DPR, two BTGs of 100th MRB of Republican Guard DPR, 14th territorial defense battalion of LPR (moved here in last days as reinforcement) - they operate on oil rafinery, Verkhnoikamyanka, Zolotarivka, Maloriazantseve axis and have a task to take Verkhniokamyanske - Zolotarivka section of road to cut off the way for UKR troops from Lysychansk. In best case they shoul meet with "Lyman or Siverodonetsk group", which crossed the river and also now tries to move in Zolotarivka direction. 

The second Russian group, which should mop up Lysychansk represents left-flank part of "Siverodonetsk group" and consists of  two BTGs of PMC, 39th MRB, 394th MRR of 127th MRD, 24th Spetsnaz brigade, 4th MRB of LPR in full composition. Also Russian comamnd moved from other parts of "Popasna group" to rear echelon of "Siverodonetsk left-flank group" three tired BTGs from 155th naval infantry broigade and 60th MRB. This group now hold the line from Ustynivka - Bila Hora Pidlisne and makes probes on gelatine factory area, but doesn't conduct enough active actions - they are awaiting results of the actions around Verhniokamyanske - Zolotarivka to enter the game. 

But yesterday there is informatin appeared, Russians threw in the battle on Verkhniokamyanske - Zolotarivka part of own "Siverodonetsk left-flank" group, reserved for urban actions. Also they threw in the battle also elements of 6th cossack MRR of LPR from "central Popasna group". This can shows either "northern Popasna" group is suffered big losses or Russians just want to trumple our lines with mass.  

Edited July 2, 2022 by Haiduk

[panzermartin]

18 minutes ago, Huba said:

You're in for a treat then  There's 20+ hours of this show (or even more, I don't recall exactly), and it's really fun if you can swallow it being so black and white - both literally and figuratively. As a bonus, there's young Pola Raksa running around:

 

Edit: And the movie about Warsaw Uprising, you asked, is called Kanał ("Canal" or "Sewer"). This one can't be called "fun", its rather sad and depressing, but very good:

 

Thank you! I had very faint memories of this film, from some 30 years ago, incredibly I rediscover it here. +2 for Pola Raska

 

[Calamine Waffles]

10 minutes ago, Haiduk said:

UKR troops are completing the withdrawal from Lysychansk.

Looks like troops from the north-west of the city are withdrawing to south in expecting own queue to move out. Russians yesterday crossed Siverskyi Donets river and seized Privillia and Shypylivka villages. There is unknown how they did it - with pontoons or just on vehicles or boats. First attaempt of crossing or engineer recon  for crossing reportedly took place on 29th of June. Also unknown there was some clashes for theese villages after crossing or no. 

UKR troops still hold southtern and south-werstrn outskirts of Lysychansk, maintiaining withdrawal of main part of Lysychansk group. Main clashes are ongoing around zhelatin factory in 4 km from southern outskirts of the city, on oil rafinery near Verhniokamyanka village and on approaches to Verkniokayanske village

Russian troops advance on Lysychansk from the south with two groups. Firs, so called "north Popasna group", its northern part: one PMC BTG and two BTGs of 1st MRB DPR, two BTGs of 100th MRB of Republican Guard DPR, 14th territorial defense battalion of LPR (moved here in last days as reinforcement) - they operate on oil rafinery, Verkhnoikamyanka, Zolotarivka, Maloriazantseve axis and have a task to take Verkhniokamyanske - Zolotarivka section of road to cut off the way for UKR troops from Lysychansk. In best case they shoul meet with "Lyman or Siverodonetsk group", which crossed the river and also now tries to move in Zolotarivka direction. 

The second Russian group, which should mop up Lysychansk represents left-flank part of "Siverodonetsk group" and consists of  two BTGs of PMC, 39th MRB, 394th MRR of 127th MRD, 24th Spetsnaz brigade, 4th MRB of LPR in full composition. Also Russian comamnd moved from other parts of "Popasna group" to rear echelon of "Siverodonetsk left-flank group" three tired BTGs from 155th naval infantry broigade and 60th MRB. This group now hold the line from Ustynivka - Bila Hora Pidlisne and makes probes on gelatine factory area, but doesn't conduct enough active actions - they are awaiting results of the actions around Verhniokamyanske - Zolotarivka to enter the game. 

But yesterday there is informatin appeared, Russians threw in the battle on Verkhniokamyanske - Zolotarivka part of own "Siverodonetsk left-flank" group, reserved for urban actions. Also they threw in the battle also elements of 6th cossack MRR of LPR from "central Popasna group". This can shows either "northern Popasna" group is suffered big losses or Russians just want to trumple our lines with mass.  

It's unfortunate that Ukraine was not able to hold the defences along the natural barrier of the Siversky Donets, but I suppose the Russians managing to capture Popasna made it much more difficult to hold along there.

[SteelRain]

Germany should send him to any negotiation. He will stare everybody into an unconditional surrender

in short:
- The Software of the PzH2000 was modified in a way that it allows remote support from Germany via virtual reality at the front line in Ukraine.
- first 15 Gepards will be ready in June to guard important infrastructure
- He mentions the logistical nightmare Ukraine currently has with all the stuff arriving and that NATO has to focus more on interoperability

Edited July 2, 2022 by SteelRain

[Haiduk]

Next Russian ammunition storages destroyed in previous day 

Zaporizhzhia direction:

Popasna

Chornobaivka, Kherson oblast

Also locals in twitter wrote aboute some explosions in Pervomaysk again, so neighbour settlement Kirovske in sense smoke now.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Haiduk

[LongLeftFlank]

Support for the 'Franco thesis' of Lukashenko behaviour? (Or else a fake)

Open appeal of servicemen of the 5th special brigade of special purpose Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus

Dear Alexander Grigorievich!

The personnel of the 5th special constitutional order. Without exception, all military personnel of the Brigade are ready to defend the borders of our Motherland to the last drop of blood, regardless of the exigencies and hardships of military service. Currently, officers of the 5th special brigade of special purpose of the Armed Forces are observing the grossest violation by the highest political leadership of the Russian Federation of Article 1 of the Constitution of the Republic of Belarus, according to which “the Republic of Belarus has supremacy and complete power on its territory, and independently implements domestic and foreign policy.” The occupation by the Russian Federation of the internationally recognized territories of the friendly state of Ukraine, an attempt by the President of the Russian Federation V. V. Putin to drag the Republic of Belarus into an unprovoked war against a sovereign state, is nothing short of the destruction of the sovereignty of the Republic of Belarus. As a result of the aggression, the Russian Federation has already foundered itself in the stringencies of international economic foreign policy, which is steadily destroying the country's economy. The Republic of Belarus is a democratic social state. Article 2 of the Constitution defines a person, his or her rights and freedoms, and guarantees of these, as the highest value and goal of society and the state. Supporting Russian President Vladimir Putin in his aggression against Ukraine will entail huge human losses among the military and civilian population. Entering the war against Ukraine and the countries of Europe and America that are supporting its sovereignty and territorial integrity within internationally-recognized borders, will expunge the Republic of Belarus from the community of civilized powers, making our nation a pariah state for many years to come. Entering the war on the side of Russia for the Republic of Belarus will be veritable suicide. The political isolation and international sanctions that such aggression against Ukraine will inevitably entail, will be disastrous for our country which, unlike the Russian Federation, does not have a margin of safety in the form of a reserve of natural resources. Based on the foregoing, the personnel of the 5–11th special brigade of the special purpose of the Armed Forces appeals to you, dear Alexander Grigoryevich, with an appeal not to sacrifice the people of Belarus, the future of our children, and the sovereignty of the state you head, for the sake of the imperial ambitions of the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, which is alien to all citizens of Belarus without exception. Having chosen the profession of military men, we are all ready to give our lives defending our Motherland from aggression. At the same time, having entered into a war of conquest against a state friendly to us, in our own eyes and in the eyes of our children, we will lose the right to be called Officers, turning into occupiers and war criminals. We have the honour to be!…

[Calamine Waffles]

Hmm, T-84U Oplot operating with the 3rd Tank Brigade. That's an ex-reserve formation that uses T-72s, so pretty unusual for them to be given that.
 

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Calamine Waffles

[AlsatianFelix]

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Edited July 2, 2022 by AlsatianFelix
didn't read the thread before I posted. Sorry for the dup.

[AlsatianFelix]

10 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:

A couple of months ago there was a BTR knocked out with a bunch of LTs in it.  Somewhere in the south.  One of the LTs was a meteorologist.  They are obviously so short on officers that they are moving around people based on rank instead of capabilities. 

Steve

Should we consider that Ru is sending malcontent officers to the front in a penal battalion sort of way?

 

[poesel]

2 hours ago, SteelRain said:

- The Software of the PzH2000 was modified in a way that it allows remote support from Germany via virtual reality at the front line in Ukraine.
- first 15 Gepards will be ready in June to guard important infrastructure

Small correction: it will be end of July. The teams are still in training. 
 

Does anyone know what’s up with the Roland rocket AA systems? They were retired in 2005 and should be still in storage. 
 

The VR support is a very German thing to do. The usual over-engineering. Love it.

[Haiduk]

1 hour ago, Calamine Waffles said:

Hmm, T-84U Oplot operating with the 3rd Tank Brigade. That's an ex-reserve formation that uses T-72s, so pretty unusual for them to be given that.
 

 

As I know 5 T-84U were in 14th mech.brigade. Maybe this 6th tank from some military academy, was repaired and brought to service in that unit, which need in tanks. Though, more logycally would be include it in 14th brigade too. Or to move 14th brigade's T-84U to 3rd brigade.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Haiduk

[Calamine Waffles]

Logistically, it seems like it would be a problem, since T-84U has more in common with the T-80 and T-64 than with the T-72.

[Haiduk]

4 minutes ago, Calamine Waffles said:

Logistically, it seems like it would be a problem, since T-84U has more in common with the T-80 and T-64 than with the T-72.

In our tanks units due to losses, you can meet now whole zoo of many types, included captured Russian tanks. There is no time to sort them by types... 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Haiduk

[Calamine Waffles]

Well, that particular tank crew has apparently already lost two tanks from under them, so hopefully the T-84U will fare better...

[akd]

Why evacuating equipment from Snek Island wasn’t an option:

 

[Haiduk]

36 minutes ago, akd said:

Why evacuating equipment from Snek Island wasn’t an option:

 

Before this strike a pair of Russian Su-30SM tried to destroy own abandoned equipment on the island with incendiary bombs, but from four dropped only one hit the island. So, UKR TB2 just made the work instead of Russians %)

 

[Haiduk]

Vovchoyarivka area, Luhansk oblast, Russian tank launched own turret in the space

 

[Letter from Prague]

It is interesting how much stuff gets Bayraktar'd on the sea versus the land. Is the Russian land-based air defense much better? Is it because on the sea they have to use only the long range one which can't target drones? Or are the TB2 operators on land just not releasing videos?

[Grigb]

4 hours ago, Huba said:

Wel, to say it has a cult status is an understatement. A few generations of Poles were raised on it, most actors made huge careers and it was an export hit very popular in the whole Warsaw Pact. 

Epic series. I grow up on it as well. Hope one day I will find the name of other Polish hit about intelligence officer with the cover name Klaus or something. 

Back to the war. Regarding Belarus mass mobilization notification, I found confirmation on Belarus Nexta channel. However so far it looks like they are checking who would come or not. Looks like nobody openly mobilized so far.

 

2 hours ago, LongLeftFlank said:

Support for the 'Franco thesis' of Lukashenko behaviour? (Or else a fake)

 

Looks like it - Luka is a brutal dictator. Anyone who was brave enough to stand up to Luka is either dead or in Ukraine Legion. Yet, here we have several guys signing it with their own surnames. So, it is either fake or Luka authorized letter to show to Putin.

 

 

[Haiduk]

8 minutes ago, Letter from Prague said:

It is interesting how much stuff gets Bayraktar'd on the sea versus the land. Is the Russian land-based air defense much better? Is it because on the sea they have to use only the long range one which can't target drones? Or are the TB2 operators on land just not releasing videos?

They released videos in initial pahse of war, when Russian tactic of advance in columns and deploying allowed to use TB2 for strikes. But when the war turned to position withstanding and Russians established echeloned AD of troops, TB2 became mostly use only for recon and artilelry targeting. Though, they also still in use as strike UAVs, when it possible, even on territory of Russia (at least 2 TB2 were shot down near the Russian border)

Edited July 2, 2022 by Haiduk

[Vanir Ausf B]

7 minutes ago, Letter from Prague said:

It is interesting how much stuff gets Bayraktar'd on the sea versus the land. Is the Russian land-based air defense much better? Is it because on the sea they have to use only the long range one which can't target drones? Or are the TB2 operators on land just not releasing videos?

It's the former, according to some Ukrainian pilots:

“They were very useful and important in the very first days, stopping those columns [of Russian armored vehicles and troops heading toward the capital Kyiv], but now that they’ve built up good air defenses, they’re almost useless," Moonfish said.

TB2s are still being employed for "some special operations, including attack missions," according to Juice, "but, in very rare situations and in exact conditions."

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukrainian-fighter-pilots-call-bull****-on-need-for-mq-1c-gray-eagle-drones

Ninja'd by Haiduk

[Grigb]

Regarding RU tricks to keep manpower in place here is quote from Confit Intelligence Team - RU speaking partners of Belligncat. 

Quote

We have received proof why we do not see rotation among the military. According to conversations with soldiers we are familiar with, we knew that it was because of the refuseniks. And now there is a wiretap of the SBU, where a soldier calls home and says that they are not allowed back to Russia for a break, they are placed somewhere in the fields away from roads and infrastructure so that they cannot go back to Russia. Because if you withdraw units to Russia and especially to the point of permanent deployment for a 10–day rest, then many will refuse to go back.