General Jack Ripper Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 On 3/1/2019 at 9:47 AM, Macisle said: I haven't done systematic testing, but when my vehicles bog, a trick I do that seems to help is to issue a timed pause followed by slow forward or reverse. I usually cancel all movement orders and leave the crew to sort themselves out. I don't know if it makes a difference, but it makes me feel better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Terrain is often dotted with hard and rocky ground. This is an important feature during damp and muddy conditions because the chance of bogging drops greatly on hard and rocky terrain. Try hopping from hard patch to hard patch while moving. Soft ground in muddy conditions during a heavy rainstorm may just be one of those times armor ought to be kept back from the front entirely. Interesting tidbit about Panther. France fielded about 49 Panthers after the war to compliment their post-war Sherman tank force. Generally they gave Panther low marks, thought Panther's negatives far outweighed its positives. Panther only stayed active in the French army for about 5 years, which admittedly is 2 years longer than Germany had fielded them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, MikeyD said: Terrain is often dotted with hard and rocky ground. This is an important feature during damp and muddy conditions because the chance of bogging drops greatly on hard and rocky terrain. Try hopping from hard patch to hard patch while moving. Soft ground in muddy conditions during a heavy rainstorm may just be one of those times armor ought to be kept back from the front entirely. Interesting tidbit about Panther. France fielded about 49 Panthers after the war to compliment their post-war Sherman tank force. Generally they gave Panther low marks, thought Panther's negatives far outweighed its positives. Panther only stayed active in the French army for about 5 years, which admittedly is 2 years longer than Germany had fielded them. Quick question: How´s about dirt roads underlaid with various terrain types? Is it just the road terrain type considered for bogging, or underlying terrain as well? (i.e dirt road on grass and muddy ground condition set, compared to dirt road on hard and muddy setting) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Quote dirt roads underlaid with various terrain types? By coincidence I had been thinking that very question while typing out my earlier post. I think I knew the answer long ago but it escapes me now. Someone probably ran a thorough test a decade or more ago. It'll be easy enough to retest, I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 21 hours ago, RockinHarry said: Quick question: How´s about dirt roads underlaid with various terrain types? Is it just the road terrain type considered for bogging, or underlying terrain as well? (i.e dirt road on grass and muddy ground condition set, compared to dirt road on hard and muddy setting) Yes, only the road tile matters for bogging. As long as you stay on the road. So if you are entering or leaving the road on a muddy tile you will have more chance of bogging as you transition than if the underlying tile is harder. But if you stay on the road you don't suffer. There was a bug way way back where the bogging chance in the transition between on road and off road was much to high but that has been fixed. The only thing I am unsure of is if dirt roads themselves can be bogging hazards if the scenario settings are set to wet ground. I never actually tried that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, IanL said: Yes, only the road tile matters for bogging. As long as you stay on the road. So if you are entering or leaving the road on a muddy tile you will have more chance of bogging as you transition than if the underlying tile is harder. But if you stay on the road you don't suffer. There was a bug way way back where the bogging chance in the transition between on road and off road was much to high but that has been fixed. The only thing I am unsure of is if dirt roads themselves can be bogging hazards if the scenario settings are set to wet ground. I never actually tried that. Did bits of testing just yesterday and can confirm that it´s just the dirt roads determining bogging chances. At least I see no indications, that underlying terrain types have any influence. Ground setting was "muddy" and all the bogging on dirt roads was equally distributed among the ground types I tested (grass, dirt, hard and plowed field). Haven´t tested transitions. Things look a bit different for footpaths on various terrain types (and muddy) with test results appearing inconclusive. Might do some more testing, if finding time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Nice - I've maxed out my up-voting for today on your AAR... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 8 hours ago, RockinHarry said: Did bits of testing just yesterday and can confirm that it´s just the dirt roads determining bogging chances. At least I see no indications, that underlying terrain types have any influence. Ground setting was "muddy" and all the bogging on dirt roads was equally distributed among the ground types I tested (grass, dirt, hard and plowed field). Haven´t tested transitions. Does being on a road (of any kind) effect bogging chances if ground condition is deep snow? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: Does being on a road (of any kind) effect bogging chances if ground condition is deep snow? Michael haven´t tested yet (CMFB), but I´d assume yes IF it´s a dirt road and temperature is not frozen or extreme cold. Worth some more testing, but likely anybody else did already in the past. @Bulletpoint Edited March 5, 2019 by RockinHarry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RockinHarry said: haven´t tested yet (CMFB), but I´d assume yes IF it´s a dirt road and temperature is not frozen or extreme cold. Worth some more testing, but likely anybody else did already in the past. @Bulletpoint Haven't formally tested it; I just noticed I have very few problems with bogging as soon as it's just a little below freezing. So it seems cold overrides ground conditions. Haven't played many scenarios with deep snow - it could be that it overrides yet again, making vehicles bog. As for whether roads then override yet again... that I don't know. I don't think they should. If the ground is frozen and there's 50 cm of snow, I assume there wouldn't be much difference between being on a road or in a field. Edited March 5, 2019 by Bulletpoint 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heirloom_Tomato Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: As for whether roads then override yet again... that I don't know. I don't think they should. If the ground is frozen and there's 50 cm of snow, I assume there wouldn't be much difference between being on a road or in a field. Until we see these guys in game with the ability to clear snow off the road, I agree it makes zero difference where you try to drive with that much snow on the ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Awhile ago I had wanted to test bogging so did a QB in deep snow and blizzard conditions. To my great surprise I got no bogs at all! Not what I was expecting. I believe if you set temps to 'very cold' the ground freezes-up and greatly reduces the chance of bogging. Deep snow with merely 'cool' temps might've produced very different results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 16 hours ago, MikeyD said: Awhile ago I had wanted to test bogging so did a QB in deep snow and blizzard conditions. To my great surprise I got no bogs at all! Not what I was expecting. I believe if you set temps to 'very cold' the ground freezes-up and greatly reduces the chance of bogging. If bogging only depends on whether ground is frozen or not, I think that's pretty much a bog-bug. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bulletpoint said: If bogging only depends on whether ground is frozen or not, I think that's pretty much a bog-bug. when it´s just about ground firmness, then it makes generally sense (all the other vehicles and crew stats left aside). But deep snow in western europe´s not the same as russia. In russia bumping up in deep snow was as serious issue, particularly in 41/42, when even T-34 got no further. Edit: Bumping with the AFV´s belly on thick layers of packed snow or hidden tree stumps and such. Edited March 6, 2019 by RockinHarry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 3/3/2017 at 12:46 PM, RockinHarry said: Another wish would be for the CM series to portray slopes and a units (infantry & vehicles) slope climbing ability and effects more realistically. This +10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Sorting out tank gun elevation might be a good idea too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 18 hours ago, JoMc67 said: This +10 to clarify, I mean those slopes that the map editor/game turns into "cliff" when elevation between 2 adjacent AS exceedes 4m. My current workaround is using "footpaths" on those slopes that normally would be turned to cliff in the game. This way I can have way steeper slopes, particularly wooded slopes more prominent in Ardennes and such. Doesn´t always looks nice, but does the purpose IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 2/28/2019 at 5:47 PM, Bulletpoint said: It doesn't matter unfortunately. In CM, as soon as the temperature dips below freezing, ground is treated as being frozen solid and bogging becomes very unlikely (even when ground conditions are set to damp). It's very rare that I lose vehicles to bogging in open country in light/medium snow. Yes part of the fun is do what you would do in real life which is to go in lower gear even 4 wheel drive vehicles get bogged but less frequently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 2/28/2019 at 6:38 PM, Erwin said: Just to be certain - this 100% confirmed? That there is no point in changing speed to SLOW at waypoints right before crashing thru a wall/fence/bushes or entering bad terrain to help avoid track or wheel damage or bogging/immobilization? Check also the damage report in the game and if they advice to stay on the road as much as possible at the beginning I do exactly that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) It would be nice if you changed your moniker to "putdykedowngently". Edited May 5, 2019 by Warts 'n' all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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