Peek around corners

[Wodin]

I do have the upgrade but haven't really had time to play it. I was wondering if this is done in an abstract way or do we visually see a soldier leaning out to peak around a corner and fire if need around it (I know extremely unlikely)? Or is it done visually in a more abstract way...and if so how is it visually shown on screen?

 

Edit: I'd actually pay for an animation expansion pack which redoes current animations aswell as add loads more..like leaning around corners. I'd pay a decent price aswell..more than a £10 anyway.

 

Thanks

Edited January 13, 2017 by Wodin

[Rinaldi]

JC over at his blog kriegsimulation took the time to show case 4.0 for people; including this image showing what you're asking about. Not quite as involved as you were hoping, but visually represented. Patch notes said that the AI will try to get a weapon with the greatest suppressive effect at the corner of the building and it seems to be performing as advertised. I haven't had the chance to test any street fighting yet myself.

[sburke]

It not only does what Rinaldi just posted above but you can also be more specific.  For example you have an enemy tank on a street and want to take it out.  You split off an AT team, send them to the side of the building and give a face command towards the vehicle.  They will focus on that corner of the building increasing your odds the guy with the AT weapon will actually get into position for the shot.

[Cpl Steiner]

The effect is more obvious if the building is rotated 45 degrees (e.g. looking north-south, overhead it would be a diamond shape rather than a square). Normally a squad behind such a building is very far from each of the two corners in front of it (e.g. east and west corner if it is at southern corner hotspot).

Actually, ignore me (talking rubbish as the hotspot is never at a southern corner - must have misremembered that). To cut a long story short, like the other posters said, it is not abstract. You see one guy detach and move to the corner (frequently getting himself shot as a consequence!)

 

Edited January 14, 2017 by Cpl Steiner

[Jock Tamson]

Saw one of my guys take out a BRDM in CMBS with a LAW from a corner while the rest of his team were faced up against the wall, was very cool.

[Sailor Malan2]

I have had the same thing with a 'schreck in CMRT. Very cool and gratifying. It seems to make these specialist operators much more effective in urban terrain. They dont need to be as visible. HAving said which, they are still very dead if spotted, as it should be.

[JoMac]

So, it's not a Fire Team that engages in small arms combat around a corner, but rather an individual with best equipment just peeking the corner for a quickie :-\

That's to bad, as I thought it would make more sense to have a whole Fire Team (or individual Sniper/LMG Team) move back-n-forth from Building Corner (depending on suppression) to engage in small arms (using the building wall corner for cover...like a stone/brick wall). This would give a more realistic feel as most urban combat takes place around corners of Buildings/Walls, Streets, etc), even thou you are partially in the open.  

Joe

Edited January 14, 2017 by JoMc67

[Bulletpoint]

Does the guy peeking around the corner get any cover bonus? As he is not very exposed...

[Vanir Ausf B]

3 hours ago, JoMc67 said:

That's to bad, as I thought it would make more sense to have a whole Fire Team (or individual Sniper/LMG Team) move back-n-forth from Building Corner (depending on suppression) to engage in small arms (using the building wall corner for cover...like a stone/brick wall). This would give a more realistic feel as most urban combat takes place around corners of Buildings/Walls, Streets, etc), even thou you are partially in the open

That would be pointless and probably counter productive. The TacAI prioritizes heavy weapons which are usually the preferred choice over the guy with a Garand.

[Vanir Ausf B]

2 hours ago, Bulletpoint said:

Does the guy peeking around the corner get any cover bonus? As he is not very exposed...

There is a cover bonus but don't expect them to survive a massive fusillade.

[Bulletpoint]

8 hours ago, Vanir Ausf B said:

There is a cover bonus but don't expect them to survive a massive fusillade.

Never expected them to be invulnerable, but a guy peeking around a corner presents a very small target. So I would assume he would get a decent cover/concealment bonus. Haven't tried out 4.0 so can't say if the level of protection is adequate, just that I would expect peeking troops to get quite good cover values.

[Vanir Ausf B]

25 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said:

Never expected them to be invulnerable, but a guy peeking around a corner presents a very small target.

Keep in mind they are assumed to be doing a little more than taking a peek. They are exposing themselves enough to fire a weapon.

[Erwin]

Still that means they are only 50% at most exposed.  Not much worse than being in a foxhole or firing over a wall.  Hopefully, they get a sig defense benefit vs being in the open.

[Cpl Steiner]

I am OK with just one guy peeking around the corner. If BFC want to tweak it they could allow two guys, one kneeling and the other standing. This would double the firepower without risking too many squad members.

[JoMac]

So, are you saying you can only have a 2 man (Sniper, LMG Team) engaging in combat around a corner, but not a Fire Team...Makes more sense to have option for having a 2 man Special Team or a whole Fire Team..."Come On', BF, and make that change. 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2017 by JoMc67

[mjkerner]

No need for a two man team, I assume the good Cpl means that a squad or team sends one guy to peek, maybe up to two to take pot shots, whatever. Having two would be nice, but I'm thrilled to have the one guy.  Three guys would basically be the max anyway--standing, kneeling, prone--as opposed to a whole team or squad, I'd think. How many times in real life (modern MOUT excepted, maybe?) were 4-8 guys fighting around a corner, anyway?

[bodkin]

I hope they can get this feature working for walls, in urban terrain this would be very helpful especially when assaulting walled compounds. 

[JoMac]

1 hour ago, mjkerner said:

No need for a two man team, I assume the good Cpl means that a squad or team sends one guy to peek, maybe up to two to take pot shots, whatever. Having two would be nice, but I'm thrilled to have the one guy.  Three guys would basically be the max anyway--standing, kneeling, prone--as opposed to a whole team or squad, I'd think. How many times in real life (modern MOUT excepted, maybe?) were 4-8 guys fighting around a corner, anyway?

Nah, for game engine purposes you simply make it a 2 man Special Teams (LMG, Sniper, etc), or a any type of Fire Team (anything bigger would be to much). 

Oh No...Small Arms fighting from building corners was very common (I venture to say, the most common form of Urban Combat), especially for Attackers or Meeting Engagements or even a Defender having it's reserves Counter-Attacking into a Village/Town.

Thou, I think BF's intention for 'Peeking' is more in a form of getting info, and not for full Small Arms Combat. 

What I really like to see is Building Corners/Walls giving something like a half Action Spot so troops (2-man Special Teams or full size Fire Team) would bunch up at corners to engage in proper Small Arms Combat. 

Edited January 16, 2017 by JoMc67