Panzerfausts

[AttorneyAtWar]

In Red Thunder, Normandy, and Italy we have the Panzerfaust 30k and the 30, will we see the 60 and later on 100 in Bulge and its preceding expansions?

Edited December 11, 2015 by Raptorx7

[MikeyD]

I'm trying to recall, I think Panzerfaust 60 showed up CMBN Market Garden module because the module pushed the game into September. Panzerfaust 100 was held back in the other titles due to its late introduction date. It does show up in the Bulge title - I mean CMFB - though I'm quite not sure about its into date. Its certainly not around in October! 

[Cobetco]

[Baneman]

In my QB selections when testing troop choices for the AAR, I can assure you I have seen the Volksgrenadiers with quite a lot of PF60's and often 1 or 2 PF100's in a platoon.

[ChrisND]

ITEM: PANZERFAUST

STAT BOOST: AT +3, INF +1

[ChrisND]

In Red Thunder, Normandy, and Italy we have the Panzerfaust 30k and the 30, will we see the 60 and later on 100 in Bulge and its preceding expansions?

PzF 60 and 100 are in the game. They appear randomly mixed with other models.

[RockinHarry]

Interestingly, the 30k version was still produced and kept into production at this time and thus still ample stocks were available and distributed. Reason was that the not so much sloped (or none at all) armor of the western allies posed lesser problems for the small 30k warhead which tended to slip from well sloped russian armor. The 30k also and still had sufficient penetration power to tackle the vast fleets of Shermans in the western allied inventory. So CMFB still should´ve plenty of these.

[LukeFF]

The 30k also and still had sufficient penetration power to tackle the vast fleets of Shermans in the western allied inventory. So CMFB still should´ve plenty of these.

It does.

[JoMac]

PzF 60 and 100 are in the game. They appear randomly mixed with other models.

Please..Just stay with Pzf 30-60. Don't add the PzF 100 until the CMFB Module as they really didn't start appearing until the end of first quarter of 45' ( next module should be around Feb-May ). 

Joe

[akd]

Please..Just stay with Pzf 30-60. Don't add the PzF 100 until the CMFB Module as they really didn't start appearing until the end of first quarter of 45' ( next module should be around Feb-May ). 

Joe

Source? I found references to first distributions earlier.

[Bud Backer]

Source? I found references to first distributions earlier.

Agreed. I read that production of the 100M began Sept 1944 and entered service in Nov 1944 (Gander, Anti-Tank Weapons, 2000).

[Bulletpoint]

And will panzerfausts finally be fired properly, that is, held under the arm rather than on the shoulder like a bazooka?

[MikeyD]

Shows how much attention I pay to things, I had to go look!   Panzerfaust firing position is now spot-on correct.

[user1000]

Panzerfausts had terrible range but it could destroy any allied tank. They were very difficult to hit close targets on the move and at still targets at ranges even over 40 meters away. Many many panzerfausts were produced luckily the majority of it's users were ,kids, teens and old men during the bulge. There was a panzerfaust 150 made as well. They are still being produced today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust_3

 

Here are some  specs

Designation	Weight	Propellant weight	Warhead Ø	Projectile speed Vmax	Effective range	Penetration performance
Faustpatrone 30	2.7–3.2 kg	70 g	100 mm	28 m/s	30 m	140 mm
Panzerfaust 30	6.9 kg	95–100 g	149 mm	30 m/s	30 m	200 mm
Panzerfaust 60	8.5 kg	120–134 g	149 mm	45 m/s	60 m	200 mm
Panzerfaust 100	9.4 kg	190–200 g	149 mm	60 m/s	100 m	200 mm
Panzerfaust 150	6.5 kg	190–200 g	106 mm	85 m/s	150 m	280–320 mm

Edited December 13, 2015 by user1000

[user1000]

Sure it's range on the later models says 100 - 150m, but do you honestly think anyone could hit anything the size of a tank with it at that range past 50 meters would be insanely low chance of a hit.

Edited December 13, 2015 by user1000

[MikeyD]

I recall in the old 'World at War' TV series a woman said she was handed a Panzerfaust for home defense and the first practice shot she hit the target squarely. She also got a face full of rocket exhaust too. After that first shot she would flinch when firing and always missed. So in a weird way practice makes you worse! 

[LukeFF]

Sure it's range on the later models says 100 - 150m, but do you honestly think anyone could hit anything the size of a tank with it at that range past 50 meters 

Sure, why not? It was an incredibly simple weapon to use. 

[RockinHarry]

Hopefully we see stocks filled some more in german CMFB OOB. I do not expect Volksgrenadiers to carry each man a Faust, but at least trucks, HT, ammo dumps (supply platoon) and maybe even pillboxes should have some more. I could also think of an option in the OOB/force editor, either through direct selection when forces have already been purchased (like it is for grenadiers, bazooka or no bazooka...), or integrated with the force quality drop down list. The real abundance then should come when time period is extended beyond january 45.

[JoMac]

Agreed. I read that production of the 100M began Sept 1944 and entered service in Nov 1944 (Gander, Anti-Tank Weapons, 2000).

Ops, I meant the Faust 150 coming out later, and it might be able to be incorporated in a CM:FB Module. 

[Duckman]

Panzerfausts had terrible range but it could destroy any allied tank. They were very difficult to hit close targets on the move and at still targets at ranges even over 40 meters away.

They were really limited and could of course never replace AT guns. However much of the late war fighting was clearing town after town after town, and in those circumstances there will always be opportunities even for a raw recruit. The Russians took to plastering every cellar window, for good reason.

It's somewhat comparable to today's conflicts, where the concrete landscape is as a force multiplier and gives amateur RPG shooters odds they would not enjoy in a more organized setting. Of course more skilled troops can make handheld weapons work in other environments as well, but it's more difficult.

[Bulletpoint]

I think the true value of the panzerfaust was not so much actually killing tanks. It was that when the enemy knows you might have the weapons, he needs to be much more restrained with his tanks. You might in fact have zero panzerfausts in the village, but just the fact you might means he won't be able to roll in guns blazing. It buys you time.

[c3k]

...that, and their utility for blowing up enemy infantry behind fortifications. Get one in a window and that should stop all that firing... Think how RPGs are used.

[Cobetco]

...that, and their utility for blowing up enemy infantry behind fortifications. Get one in a window and that should stop all that firing... Think how RPGs are used.

That tends to be how i used Panzerschreks in CMBN.

[user1000]

 I think they could even be taken apart and uses as booby traps. Maybe I am wrong but I doubt they are much good against structures since its just a shaped charge like a BB pellet through a tin can, with the added molten shrapnel. It's what it does to the inside of the tank. The US AT rifle grenade did the same thing. As the tank mine Hafthohlladung did to the soviets

Edited December 15, 2015 by user1000

[crsutt]

My dream is to see Allied troops picking up the occasional faust and using them.