Holien

And the Ukrainians should just knuckle under to a dictator who enforces his will with draconian measures and flat-out lies, because the West is leaving them to swing (which they aren't)? The Ukrainians aren't fighting Putin because the West wants them to, they're fighting him and his gangster buddies because they don't want to be ruled by them. This battle isn't about getting Crimea and Donbass back it's about resisting international criminality.

Aragorn2002,

Am well aware this isn't my thread. As has been many times stated, though, this is intended to be a thread focused on the invasion of Ukraine. Yet there has been a ton of discussion of many topics not directly pertinent to the purpose of the thread. BFCElvis has several times issued reminders on this score, and I got dinged on this Forum myself for being OT while making an argument against a position taken by another member ref leadership. Given the stated  purpose of the thread, I find the discussions of China invading Taiwan, what India might do, China's position in this mess during and afterwards, not to mention the post-invasion world order, fascinating as they are, to be way beyond the scope of this post's stated purpose. My views, and YMMV.

Regards,

John Kettler

This is BS.  Biden specifically offered to negotiate on arms control, which would include strategic weapons deployments and basing.  That is not what Putin demanded.  Putin demanded Ukraine be left open to attack by Russia if Putin deems it desirable. No defenses. No security agreements.
This is not about NATO defensive security pact. It is about having a successful, non-authoritarian Little Brother right on the borders with Big Brother.

I'm ok. I just too tired about all these news monitoring, so I havn't enough energy to write here. Today I tried to depart my wife from the city to her parents in more calm Cherkasy oblast, but we can't reach to railway station. Municipal transport stopped on the left bank of Kyiv, though on the right it works like and subway. 
All day from my balcony, wich exits to Obolon' and Vyshhorod periodically heard a sounds of shellings. Now I heard outcoming shots of our 2S7 Pion guns, located in 5 km from my house close to city limit. They fire somewhere to the west, where Russian troops concentrates to attack on the city. All day there were periodycal clashes on the line Irpin'-Bucha-Vorzel-Hostomel. There was attempt of Russian tank attack from Chernobyl zone through Ivankiv on Kyiv, but because of we had a time to demolish the bridges through the Teterev river, they halted. 

IMO no we already supplied Javelins and other weapons so that boat has already sailed.
NATO has been very clear and open with the Russian Cabal no boots on the ground but supply of weapons will happen especially if Russia crossed the border. 

Looks like Ukraine is getting resupply 
Russia invades Ukraine: Live updates (cnn.com)
First publicly acknowledged military aid arrives in Ukraine since invasion
From CNN's Paul P. Murphy and Josh Pennington

Poland has shipped a convoy with ammunition to Ukraine, according to the country's Minister of Defense Mariusz Błaszczak, making it the first publicly acknowledged shipment of military aid to Ukraine since the Russian invasion began.
“A convoy of ammunition we are donating to Ukraine has already reached our neighbors. We stand by the Ukrainians, and show solidarity against Russian aggression," he said in a tweet.
The tweet neither described the sort of ammunition Poland sent the Ukrainians nor the amount.

Gents a gentle prod we are keeping this thread open by talking about Ukraine. Russia has invaded Ukraine 🇺🇦 

Gents a gentle prod we are keeping this thread open by talking about Ukraine. Russia has invaded Ukraine 🇺🇦 

Gents a gentle prod we are keeping this thread open by talking about Ukraine. Russia has invaded Ukraine 🇺🇦 

The arming of civilians looks pretty chaotic but does seem that they will be working alongside military units. I just hope they have AT support in trained hands to deal with the armoured vehicles. 
Brave people who stand up to the Russian cabal.

@Warts 'n' all@Aragorn2002 Gents please take it outside...

Until I can find the reporting on the picture above I will not comment. Any link to the news article?

I saw reports yesterday that they were arming civilians with AK's I am not sure if that will do more harm than good if true. 

Can you two take this outside of the thread? Please....

Can you two take this outside of the thread? Please....

lets not get this thread locked. So don't even try to get the last words in or the moral high ground.
Zero posts responding to anybody about anything other than events. Take that to PMs

Didn't take long...
The Alt Right mob in town.
This thread is about Russian invasion of Ukraine any chance of keeping it that way? 

They don't have to retake it as be able to bring the right weapons to bear on the runway. 
The only way this is going to bring Putin down is with the deaths of Russian service personnel.
I am truly saddened that we are hoping Ukraine will inflict the maximum damage on the Russian forces, yet those that put them in harms way will have hot meals and vodka in their dachas tonight, may hell truly exist and be visited upon the Dick"tator who has brought this upon the innocent. 

Didn't take long...
The Alt Right mob in town.
This thread is about Russian invasion of Ukraine any chance of keeping it that way? 

Didn't take long...
The Alt Right mob in town.
This thread is about Russian invasion of Ukraine any chance of keeping it that way? 

Didn't take long...
The Alt Right mob in town.
This thread is about Russian invasion of Ukraine any chance of keeping it that way? 

Thanks Elvis for that appropriate response and approach to keep this open, I sincerely appreciate the team keeping this open. 

Didn't take long...
The Alt Right mob in town.
This thread is about Russian invasion of Ukraine any chance of keeping it that way? 

They don't have to retake it as be able to bring the right weapons to bear on the runway. 
The only way this is going to bring Putin down is with the deaths of Russian service personnel.
I am truly saddened that we are hoping Ukraine will inflict the maximum damage on the Russian forces, yet those that put them in harms way will have hot meals and vodka in their dachas tonight, may hell truly exist and be visited upon the Dick"tator who has brought this upon the innocent. 

Didn't take long...
The Alt Right mob in town.
This thread is about Russian invasion of Ukraine any chance of keeping it that way?