Holien

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Nope I disagree.
Ukraine can fight on without American help.
Will it be harder yep...
But if Ukraine chooses they can keep fighting and killing Russians until they choose to stop.
Poland and a whole raft of European countries will keep them fighting.
So absolutely worse case Ukraine is not out just by Trump winning.
Europe is well prepared to keep Ukraine going.

Btw…this is exactly what happened.

I think that’s a fair take. I’m pretty clear now that Trump never changed his spots on Ukraine and was doing his normal campaign thing of promising everything to everyone. 

Whelp that didn’t take long:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/donald-trump-says-ukraine-is-dead-and-dismisses-its-defence-against-russia-s-invasion-1.7052360
I am not sure how making America great includes tucking tail and giving a genocidal dictator concessions. Maybe I do not understand the subtle nuances of the American political scene. I am starting to wonder if this whole drama wasn’t a ploy to flush Trump out.

Poland laying out red lines...
https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1839006181286883454

Poland laying out red lines...
https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1839006181286883454

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

Poland laying out red lines...
https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1839006181286883454

Poland laying out red lines...
https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1839006181286883454

I have a NYT subscription so here's the full article of the NYT interview with Zelensky "gifted" You should be able to read it without a subscription. If it doesn't work, let me know - means I must have done something wrong:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/21/world/europe/zelensky-interview-times-transcript.html?unlocked_article_code=1.NU4.Pzye.0bzA5kUc4ArI&smid=url-share
Dave

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

I mentioned Poland never stopping support for Ukraine even if America is dumb enough to do so.
This 5 minutes really shows why Poland isn't going to waver.
It's also why the West shouldn't waver and why ANYONE reading this who can vote in America and wants the war stopped should not vote the person who supports Russia.
Simple...
America might stop supporting Ukraine but the war will continue until Ukraine says otherwise.
 

Sorry if this rehashes the previous conversation, but it is still relevant as a more recently stated position.. today.
Trump praises Russia's military record in argument to stop funding Ukraine's fight (msn.com)
SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) — Donald Trump on Tuesday praised Russia's military record in historical conflicts and derided U.S. aid to Ukraine as he again insisted he would quickly end the war launched by Moscow's invasion if elected president.
Speaking in Savannah, Georgia, Trump mocked President Joe Biden's frequent refrain that the U.S. would back the Ukrainian armed forces until Kyiv wins the war. He raised two long ago conflicts to suggest Moscow would not lose — the former Soviet Union's role in defeating Adolf Hitler and the Nazis in World War II in the 1940s, and French emperor Napoleon Bonaparte's failed invasion of Russia more than a century earlier.
Trump insisted that the U.S. had “to get out," though he did not specify how he would negotiate an ending to U.S. involvement in the war.
"Biden says, ‘We will not leave until we win,’” Trump said, lowering his voice to mimic the Democratic president. “What happens if they win? That’s what they do, is they fight wars. As somebody told me the other day, they beat Hitler, they beat Napoleon. That’s what they do. They fight. And it’s not pleasant.”
An official on Trump's campaign also said Tuesday that the Republican nominee will not meet this week with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is visiting the U.S. to attend the opening of the U.N. General Assembly.
No meeting had been scheduled between the two, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal planning, despite a statement from Ukrainian officials last week that said Zelenskyy had planned to see the former president.
Trump on Tuesday repeated his characterization of Zelenskyy as “the greatest salesman on Earth” for winning U.S. aid to help Ukraine.
“Every time Zelenskyy comes to the United States, he walks away with $100 billion,” Trump said, erroneously. The U.S. has provided more than $56 billion in security assistance since Russia invaded in 2022, according to the State Department.
Trump and Zelenskyy have a long history dating back to the former U.S. president's time in the White House. The then-president pressured Zelenskyy to open investigations of Biden and his son Hunter as well as a cybersecurity firm Trump falsely linked to Ukraine. That call — and the hold placed by the White House on $400 million in military aid — led to Trump's first impeachment.
Zelenskyy plans to meet with Biden and Harris in Washington.
Earlier this week, in an interview with The New Yorker, Zelenskyy implied Trump does not understand and oversimplifies the conflict, and said his running mate JD Vance is “too radical” and essentially advocates for Ukraine to “make a sacrifice” by “giving up its territories.”
On Monday, Trump's son Donald Jr. criticized Zelenskyy on X, reminding his followers that the suspect in his father's second assassination attempt had lambasted Trump's approach to foreign policy, including the war in Ukraine.
“So a foreign leader who has received billions of dollars in funding from American taxpayers, comes to our country and has the nerve to attack the GOP ticket for President?” he posted.
 

Another snow flake...
Just because they have challenged your pov you turn it into an attack on you.
How else should they challenge you?
🙄
You are starting to sound like certain other folk...

No they are not, they are giving you evidence of what Trump has said and done.
Give us some counter points of what Trump has said that challenges what has been shown to you.
Quotes, anything other than your gut feeling?

si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses
😉

Another snow flake...
Just because they have challenged your pov you turn it into an attack on you.
How else should they challenge you?
🙄
You are starting to sound like certain other folk...