Insurgent Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 What other post-WWII conflicts (real or hypothetical) due you think would work well for the Combat Mission/Shock Force? I have already suggested "Chechnya" in another thread. Vietnam might be interesting as well. As for hypothetical scenarios, Russia vrs. China might be fun as would Nato vrs. Iran Any thoughts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Field Marshal Blücher Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Korea, various Arab-Israeli wars, another vote for Vietnam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdp Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Falklands! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Tiger Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 1984: Soviet Invasion of West Germany. Combat Mission:Fulda Gap. I'd buy that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 My wishlist: 1. 1956 Arab-Israeli War 2. 1973 Yom Kippur War 3. Vietnam - French Module 4. Vietnam - USA, early and late modules with a final Tet module 5. South African Border War : 1966-1989 - this conflict had conventional and coin operations. 6. First Gulf War 7. Falklands, yes please !!! 8. Malayan emergency - maybe not enough for a game there but this is a wishlist ! 9. Korea 10. Iran-Iraq War 11. Balkan Wars 1990-?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amedeo Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 In my humble opinion I think that, after CMSF and CMA another heavily asimmetric conflict will be a "game" too far for CMx2! I think that CM excels at reproducing mechanized combat, better than guerrilla or infantry-heavy scenarios. My suggestion would be a Central-European Cold War game (1983 could be the right date... it was the war scare year). I know that probably, as BFC said many times, Cold War ain't gonna happen but, for sure, it would be more interesting than a SF2 set in present day Europe (exactly who would fight, why and where?). Speaking about actual conflicts, for the above mentioned reasons, I'd prefer the Arab-Israeli wars to Chechenia, Vietnam or the Falklands. And, instead of going for the 1956, 1967 or 1973 wars, I'd vote for a Lebanon '82 game (that could also use a lot of CM:SF terrain/units). My 2 eurocents! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 First Gulf War could be interesting. The two gulf wars were pretty much the template for CMSF when it comes down to it, so it wouldn't be very hard to put out a Iraq vs Coalition game, much of the equipment is the same, it would just need some TO&E and some slightly altered models and textures. OTOH there weren't that many real set-piece battles in GW1, and virtually none in GW2 Fulda gap would be pretty stupid on a 2kmx2km tactical map. The soviet invasion scenario would be massive and more suited to a larger operational scale game than something at CM level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 V-I-E-T-N-A-M!!!! Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFightingSeabee Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 First Gulf War could be interesting. The two gulf wars were pretty much the template for CMSF when it comes down to it, so it wouldn't be very hard to put out a Iraq vs Coalition game, much of the equipment is the same, it would just need some TO&E and some slightly altered models and textures. OTOH there weren't that many real set-piece battles in GW1, and virtually none in GW2 Fulda gap would be pretty stupid on a 2kmx2km tactical map. The soviet invasion scenario would be massive and more suited to a larger operational scale game than something at CM level. My first scenario, Death on the Sand, is a Gulf War scenario. It's a real blood bath, but you get the very long ranges for the tanks to play with. Just add Desert Storm style uniforms (mod is already made) and have at it! Mord: Vietnam would be fun, but BFC has repeatedly said NO to that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 In my humble opinion I think that, after CMSF and CMA another heavily asimmetric conflict will be a "game" too far for CMx2! I think that CM excels at reproducing mechanized combat, better than guerrilla or infantry-heavy scenarios. While I agree CM always did the vehicle combat quite well, I disagree about the infantry. I think that despite its faults, CM's infantry remains one of the best simulated infantry in a tactical game like this. I also think people will be surprised just how symmetrical the combat in Soviet Afghanistan can be. The Mujihadeen were pretty well organised as a conventional force, and the Soviets certainly weren't up to the level of modern US forces. It's a lot more like a CMSF Red vs Red and I think the game might just surprise people with just how much fun it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I hope the Afghan maps in the upcoming game could also be used to sim the modern Afghan conflict including the COIN ops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoly War Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Mad crazy wars not many have heard about, like chechen wars or... Abkhazia: Untold War Story: http://fora.tv/2008/02/06/Abkhazia_Untold_War_Story Immortal Fortress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kuh8n_M0Kg Check out some of these varied and interesting battles/operations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye_hostage_crisis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(November_1994) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatoy_ambush http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Height_776 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Komsomolskoye http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(August_1996) Close up and personal in modern settings. Technological superiority vs heart/warrior culture/fanatacism. Fulda gaps or China vs Russia, no fun tactically. Im not sure most people have thought these trough. Bigger and grander is not necessarily better. I remember the glory days of Steel Panther fulda gaps scenarios; basically a shooting gallery. Operational scale games of these settings? Sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Mord: Vietnam would be fun, but BFC has repeatedly said NO to that one. I believe Steve stated a couple times that they wouldn't rule out a third party developer doing it if one came along...if we have a Soviet Afghanistan game, who knows? There could be hope. I'd love to see it...especially at CM's level...only thing I ever saw that came close was a mod of Close Combat and that only made me wish for something better. Outside of that, the only decent Nam game I've played was Seal Team and that was like 96 or so, and was more a tactical FPS hybrid. Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope somebody will take up the mantle! Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Joch Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 re: Nam, I think BFC is softening on the issue, although it may just be wishful thiking on my part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakai007 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 For me, the real joy of CMSF is the mission editor and Red vs. Red scenarios. I find them the most fun since there is no real advantage to either side. I like to use the Syrian Army and Airborne/SF units against large numbers of irregulars to simulate something close to todays INA and ANA forces against the Taliban and other insurgent forces. It really puts a lump in your throat when your T-72 has to take on T-62's and static T-55/54B and you know you may not win the battle through superior firepower, tactics are a must. Although, the T-90 and super upgraded T-72 can wreck and M1 in certain conditions, the M1 normally gets the best of the encounter. And the well trained, motivated, and supported US Army and US Marine Corps soldier is way more then a match for his adversaries. The RvR really gets my heart pumping, so it's pretty much all I play now, except when I really want to play with the US uber toys to get the frustration RvR can bring on out of my system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Personally I would go for a Korea (50's) one. It would be similar to the WWII ones, but you would have all the late war toys to play with. Kind of WWII 1.5 if you will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Personally I would go for a Korea (50's) one. It would be similar to the WWII ones, but you would have all the late war toys to play with. Kind of WWII 1.5 if you will. For the US, sure, but for the Communists? T-34/85, and that's about all of it. It just doesn't sound like a very interesting setting for a tactical wargame. Addendum: a 1955 NATO vs. Warsaw Pact slug out in Europe might be interesting, though. T-54's vs. Conquerors, that kind of stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umlaut Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Battle of Hastings ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 There needs to be a Combat Mission: Time Traveller. Pit Custer, Genghis Khan, Alexander and Rommel (and their respective armies) against each other! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakai007 Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 I would buy a 1955 NATO vs WP Combat Mission module. I play QB's like that all the time in WinSPMBT. It is a time of better then WWII equipment, but only slightly. Great game play there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insurgent Posted August 27, 2010 Author Share Posted August 27, 2010 @" Schmoly War" Glad to see someone else is up on their Chechen War history. I agree and think both Chechen Wars would make an excellent follow up to Afghanistan. You could easily include Abkhazia & Georgia scenarios in the same game (as well as the invasion of Daghastan). The Caucuses region is full of good gaming potential! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoly War Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 @Insurgent Probably too soon for russian developers to start making games about the Caucasus region. Wikipedia articles in russian (translated) give widely different casaulty figures than the official english one. Ever read up on "Bear went over the mountain"? Just about every single engagements in the book were won by the russians. I think thats how they approach this game as well; a couple of glorious scenarios like Operation Storm 333. Most of the russian propaganda post chechen wars is how they managed to hunt down the main rebel leaders, and almost nothing from the how the main army fared. The catastrophic debacle that was "Hill 776" was as a source said: "enshrined in heroic myth". I think TOAW was the only game to include the chechen war (excluding the Alpha game): http://www.the-strategist.net/RD/scenarii/display_scenario.php?Id=74 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Any era in which long range accurate weapons, ATGM's etc. are NOT present would make an xnt addition. (Hence Afghanistan could be terrific.) Because of CMSF's relatively small maps so many weapons systems are firing at essentially point blank range. It's the almost 100% accurate and frighteningly lethal weapons that make CMSF frustrating and maybe too hard for average players (non asperger people who have lives etc). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivodsi Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 1984: Soviet Invasion of West Germany. Combat Mission:Fulda Gap. I'd buy that. My military wet dream! Chieftains, M60s, Sheridans, early Abrams and Leo IIs facing off against T72, T80 etc... Just need to find a plausible excuse for the non-use of NBC weapons. Edit to add: yeah a post war game would also make my juices run: Centurions vs T54s etc Why hasn't a CM-like game come out for these sorts of scenarios? I'm sure with European translations the market would be big enough to sustain it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulgaroktonos Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Given the slim premise of CM:SF I would totally be up for a Bear and the Dragon or Dragon and Elephant game. Of course, Korean War, Vietnam War, and Balkan games would be nice. Maybe a game about the In/Pak conflicts of 71. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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