Pinetree Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 [snip].... I'd really like to see more weight given to the less sexy items on that list seeing as how they would be more relevant to the fighting in the earlier stages of the campaign. The first few days after the landings are the ones I'd like to concentrate on. Oh, and save the SS for the Commonwealth module... (runs for cover) My thoughts exactly. This ain't Saving Private Ryan. It would make the commonwealth module sell like hotcakes as well. BTW it's great to see some WWII grogness back on the main boards, it's been too long. lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 [A-Tk weapons] I'm guessing the Pak 40 and the 6 pounder but I'm probably wrong. 7.5cm, 5cm, and even 3.7 cm for the Germans (and French 7.5cms and misc other captured kit as necessary). For CM:N I'd expect to see 7.5cm Pak 40s, and 5cm PaK 38s. For the US it's 57mm and 3-in towed, the 3-in M-10 SP and towards the very end in Normandy the 76mm M-18 SP. For CM:N I'd expect to see 57mm and 3-in towed, and M-10 and M-18 SP,and possibly also 90mm M-36 SP depending on how late into 1944 they push the module. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlight Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Surely this need to be turned around the other way as well? I have no resource at my fingertips but I expect the US had a fairly small number of tanks (types not actual units) in Normandy during the period proposed? When did the better tank hunters and killers start use in the Normandy area? etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Several versions of Sherman with 75mm. A couple of versions of the Sherman with a 76mm. A couple of versions of .... meh. Just look at CMBO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphon Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 7.5cm, 5cm, and even 3.7 cm for the Germans (and French 7.5cms and misc other captured kit as necessary). For CM:N I'd expect to see 7.5cm Pak 40s, and 5cm PaK 38s. For the US it's 57mm and 3-in towed, the 3-in M-10 SP and towards the very end in Normandy the 76mm M-18 SP. For CM:N I'd expect to see 57mm and 3-in towed, and M-10 and M-18 SP,and possibly also 90mm M-36 SP depending on how late into 1944 they push the module. The 3,7cm PaK? Must have been in conjunction with the Stielgranate 41 then? Otherwise I don't see what they would hope to achieve except for a light AV kill Thanks for the info anyway The 57 and 76mm AT guns will be quite the opposition for most vehicles bar the Panther. You have any idea in what role they would employed for both Germans and US in Normandy? I would guess defence of small strongpoints mostly instead of the elaborate PaK defences seen in the Eastern theatre? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McAuliffe Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 There is no question that King Tigers saw action in Normandy. I believe some from Schwere Panzerabteilung 503? But it would seem that they were opposite the British sector until the collapse of the Germans in Normandy. Well, that's one way to guarantee a commonwealth module sells well: Including the KT with it! Hate to be nitpicking, but US forces also saw King Tigers in their ToO. More specifically in the city of Mons, Belgium. There is a picture circulating on the internet of a knocked out King Tiger in the streets of Jemappes. IIRC, It was destroyed by US Air Force attacks and Sherman fire on Sep 3, 1944. Don't understand quite well, why Battlefront proposes a segregation of allied forces for their opening module, that - if I am not mistaken -spans the period from D-Day until Arnhem, A so called "Commonwealth module" would also do injustice to French, Polish and other troops, that made their contribution. If they really would like to milk this cow, I would rather prefer seasonal and regional sequences,like summer in France, fall in Holland, Huertgenforest and Lorraine, winter in the Ardennes, Rhine-river campaign. All of these episodes would have enough new goodies to make them sell and would allow to include specific vegetation or building characteristics for each region. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanker15 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Mons, Belgium. Mons, Belgium isn't in Normandy though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 And - again- it is plain for all to see what makes Cm sell: the availability of the Tiger B. Now the real question is: Do people actually like the pre-porduction or the production turret more? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Field Marshal Blücher Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hate to be nitpicking, but US forces also saw King Tigers in their ToO. More specifically in the city of Mons, Belgium. There is a picture circulating on the internet of a knocked out King Tiger in the streets of Jemappes. IIRC, It was destroyed by US Air Force attacks and Sherman fire on Sep 3, 1944. Don't understand quite well, why Battlefront proposes a segregation of allied forces for their opening module, that - if I am not mistaken -spans the period from D-Day until Arnhem, This seems to be the misunderstanding here: The base game only covers US forces in Normandy (and the Germans that opposed them in Normandy). It does not go to Arnhem. It does not even cover the rest of the French campaign AFAIK. A so called "Commonwealth module" would also do injustice to French, Polish and other troops, that made their contribution. Why would this do injustice to them? They aren't part of the commonwealth . . . or are you saying that they merit a module of their own? :confused: If they really would like to milk this cow, I would rather prefer seasonal and regional sequences,like summer in France, fall in Holland, Huertgenforest and Lorraine, winter in the Ardennes, Rhine-river campaign. All of these episodes would have enough new goodies to make them sell and would allow to include specific vegetation or building characteristics for each region. AFAIK it is something similar to this that is planned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex1 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 If there is a german campaign i'm in. If its us only I will consider a little more carefully as i am with british forces. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 And what was the most predominant US and German AT gun both sides faced? For the US, the 57 mm and for the Germans the 50 mm. They were numerically the most common types. But see also JonS' post. And don't forget the handheld AT weapons: the Bazooka for the US and the Panzerfaust and Panzerschreck for the Germans. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Götz von Berlichingen Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 C'mon Steve :-D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Gents, I've done a LOT of research in this area. Amazingly, BF.C got it exactly right with CMBO regarding which tanks fought against the US. There was only one! It was the famous "Panzer 808". You may continue... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Joch Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Originally Posted by Paper Tiger [snip].... I'd really like to see more weight given to the less sexy items on that list seeing as how they would be more relevant to the fighting in the earlier stages of the campaign. The first few days after the landings are the ones I'd like to concentrate on. Oh, and save the SS for the Commonwealth module... (runs for cover) My thoughts exactly. This ain't Saving Private Ryan. It would make the commonwealth module sell like hotcakes as well. BTW it's great to see some WWII grogness back on the main boards, it's been too long. lol yes, in the canadian sector alone, the Can. 3 Inf. Div. fought elements of 1st SS, 2nd SS, 9th SS, 10th SS, Panzer Lehr and of course had its own private war with the 12th SS "HitlerJugend" division. That does not leave much for the yanks.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 There was only one! It was the famous "Panzer 808". Look at what I found: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Johnston Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I thought it was already decided that Tigers would make it into the NORMANDY title. Therefore I expect to see wodges of user made scenarios appearing shortly after the title is released featuring Tigers and SS troops fighting US troops amongst the bocage in Normandy. Reality be damned. This is what they want! The very word "bocage" nearly sends me to sleep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Flakpanzer 38t - 12 Dan I don't know why, but I just like the look of this vehicle even though it was a marginal AFV. I really hope it is included. It wasn't in any CMX 1 games. The Germans will need something to shoot at all those Thunderbolts with that's mobile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 The very word "bocage" nearly sends me to sleep. What about "deformable bocage?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Earl Grey, well done! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Look at what I found: I wonder how many people here understand why that is just such an awesome picture here on these boards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Herr Wittman I presume? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Herr Wittman I presume? Nope, that's a PZ IV. Wittman was in a Tiger I at Normandy. Surely you must have seen tank 808 before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkEzra Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I wonder how many people here understand why that is just such an awesome picture here on these boards. Ya just had to be there... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 That number doesn't make too much sense, anyway... But at least we now have evidence it was 100% historically accurate - what more could we actually hope? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwazydog Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I have my doubts about this - specifically with regard to what is meant by 'in Normandy'. For example, AIUI, the Tigers were all well to the east of the Seine. For example, 503 was in Germany, SS101 was at Beuvais, SS102 was in Holland, and Lehr was at Alencon. Jon good point, the list from the 1st June list is probably better described as vehicles available/destined for the invasion front. Dan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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