Kinophile Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) That was 3 hours, ago. And now... Also, it's Trent, but... Edited September 12, 2022 by Kinophile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kinophile said: Also, it's Trent, but... That would have been nice, but it appears it isn´t true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, womble said: I wouldn't be surprised to find that the bolded bit is off the mark. We talk a lot here about the ISR capabilities available to the UKR staff, and I don't think they're exaggerated one little bit. I would expect that, before they launched this offensive they knew pretty much where every pair of invading boots lived, and the location and fuel status of every lump of RUS steel larger than a Lada. I would be entirely unsurprised to discover they were anticipating the possibility of such sweeping gains before the operation got the green light. I'd be even more surprised if they were counting on such levels of success, but plans are allowed to consider more than one outcome, I believe. This! Look, even with OSINT, a bunch of history books, and Combat Mission under my belt... even I knew that Ukraine could push hard in this area and that the Russians would crumble fast. I was surprised by the scale of the collapse because I was surprised by the size of Ukraine's investment. Had I been a Ukrainian planner of this operation, I wouldn't have been surprised. Once I saw the scale of Ukraine's commitment to the offensive (er... day 2?) I adjusted my expectations upwards dramatically. I'll say this again... Russian lines have been at the point of collapse in this area for at least 2 months. Possibly even more. The only reason, and I mean THE ONLY, reason they hadn't already collapsed is because Ukraine didn't give it a hard shove. I figured (correctly) that Ukraine would time such a move to coincide with Kherson, but I didn't count on Ukraine doing a full body slam instead of a hard shove. What I'm getting at here is that I doubt Ukraine was surprised by the outcome. Pleased with the speed and relative ease in which was carried out? Sure, but I bet the outcome is well within their expectations. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 39 minutes ago, sburke said: Kind of off topic, but I do have one major gripe. The F'n Russians have ruined military fiction for me. Now every time I look at a book depicting a Russian advance all I can think of is... "yeah no way. Too much fantasy, maybe I'll go back and just read the Silmarillion". sigh You think you have problems now? Wait until you see the updated version of CM Black Sea. Load scenario, hit the GO! button, and then get awarded a Total Victory just for showing up. On the plus side, we won't have to bother making any AI Plans for the Russian side Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 "An abandoned Russian tank, in Izioum, September 11, 2022. LAURENT VAN DER STOCKT FOR "LE MONDE"" *T-72 (B3?) "A captured Russian soldier is kept lying on a tank with Ukrainian soldiers in Izium. LAURENT VAN DER STOCKT FOR “LE MONDE”" *BREM-1 (T-72 towing variant) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Huba said: Steve, please sit down before reading any further! Ukrainians crossed Seversky Donets in Bilohorivka!! Ya know, I bet some Ukrainian planners were looking for a place to cross and someone said, "you know what would really drive the RU Nats crazy? A successful crossing at Bilohorivka". To which the generals in the room said "brilliant! Let's do it". Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: You think you have problems now? Wait until you see the updated version of CM Black Sea. Load scenario, hit the GO! button, and then get awarded a Total Victory just for showing up. On the plus side, we won't have to bother making any AI Plans for the Russian side Steve And you forgot the error message giving a crash when playing Russians 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cederic Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Sorry, all this talk of drone swarms and nobody's posted this? The only thing in that clip that's not viable with current levels of tech is the size of the explosions. The launch, the swarming, the aerial manoeuvreability, the AI detection of targets? All possible right now. Perfect? No. Civilian casualties? Guaranteed. Devastating to troops that aren't under cover? Absolutely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Massive Kherson surrender? We'll now see just how much disaster Putin can survive. "Russian Kherson Command? Table for 20,000? Yes, Sir this way please. Our friendly valets will park your vehicles for you, at no charge." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cederic said: Sorry, all this talk of drone swarms and nobody's posted this? The only thing in that clip that's not viable with current levels of tech is the size of the explosions. The launch, the swarming, the aerial manoeuvreability, the AI detection of targets? All possible right now. Perfect? No. Civilian casualties? Guaranteed. Devastating to troops that aren't under cover? Absolutely. Yeah, the scary thing is that could be done today for a couple hundred thousand bucks. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cederic Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Apologies if this has already been shared - I did check the last 20 pages. Its, uhh, getting dusty in here. Dusty. That's it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogust Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 And we are now on the 1337 side, where all the really cool kids hang. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeleban Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 It's just a sensation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, The_MonkeyKing said: some interesting pointers from this: The Kharkov operation was wildly successful and likely also surprised Ukrainian planners The southern and northern operations are coordinated and interrelated, but different. Kherson is not a faint. for big part Kherson OP enabled the successes of the Kharkov OP Threat to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk has disappeared Most of the personal managed to get away thanks to the total rout (still significant POWs) but extreme equipment losses this is not enough yet, but couple of more operations like this will make the RUS war effort untenable Western military district has (finally) ceased to exist Russian past piecemeal solutions are starting to cumulate hard. (manpower and its retention ext.) Ukraine now has demonstrated strategic level offensive capability and this will happen again. War will now change from what it has been for past months. Ukraine could press the advantage in the north or swing to a new front Most likely again in the weakest spot(s) of the RUS lines. UKR has the advantage of interior lines of movement. Meaning UKR moves troops from North to South in two days when it takes RUS around a week min. Ukraine can keep pushing Kherson and also have another major offensive operation ongoing simultaneously. Smart options for Russia (Mike thinks RUS will again not choose the smart options) Smartest thing for Russia would be to retreat from the west side of Dnieper and consolidate start partial mobilization with stop-loss policies. These would start bear fruit in 2023 Thanks for the synopsis. I've not had time to listen to it yet. Largely agree, except that I don't think Russia will make it through the winter. I think Kofman is making a similar mistake he's made all along... not taking some basic laws of physics into account. An object in motion tends to stay in motion. If that object is big and going downhill, it also accelerates both in terms of speed and the destruction it makes along the way. Russia's collapse will not likely be linear where the next 6 months looks like an extended version of the last 6 months. instead, the time to focus on is what happened in the last two weeks and extend from that point. I don't see Russia lasting much longer. Even if it manages to make it through the mud season, it won't be recuperated enough to handle the winter. Especially because I doubt Russia will equip and feed its soldiers properly. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 It was a few days ago that Russian soldiers in Kherson area were reported complaining about lack of food and water. Soldiers are able to withstand a lot of privations but no food and water will shut an army down fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 50 minutes ago, Kinophile said: That was 3 hours, ago. And now... Nice! I'm waiting for some nice videos. It might not be necessary to prove it happened, but it sure would be nice to see Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Vladimir Putin Bailed on Top Military Meetings in Sochi After Crushing Losses in Ukraine War (thedailybeast.com) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riptides Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, Taranis said: And you forgot the error message giving a crash when playing Russians Go through the set up phase and the second turn is immediate surrender. Or is it the first turn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders_1970 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Russian soldiers are as disciplined as the rabble participating in Trump rallies... 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 If he'd just changed that to Russian regime at end he'd have been spot on target. Quote Russian leader of Crimea threatens pro-Ukrainian protesters Sergey Aksenov, the Russia-appointed leader of occupied Crimea, said organizers and participants in pro-Ukraine rallies will "be held accountable." He complained that videos from public events in Crimea show residents chanting pro-Ukrainian slogans and singing nationalist songs. That could lead to prosecution and dismissal from jobs, he said in a Telegram post. He suggested they leave Crimea voluntarily. "It would be rational and logical for those who support the Ukrainian regime to leave for the country they love so much," he wrote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, Taranis said: "An abandoned Russian tank, in Izioum, September 11, 2022. LAURENT VAN DER STOCKT FOR "LE MONDE"" *T-72 (B3?) Seems more like T-72B obr. 1989 (with field mod Kontakt-1 ERA added). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSBoxer Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, Taranis said: And you forgot the error message giving a crash when playing Russians CM Black Sea selection screen Player selects Russia - You selected Russia - Are you sure??? (Y/N) - You selected Russia again - Are you really sure???????! (Y/N) - You selected Russia - You Lose - Would you like to play again? (Y/N) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Anders_1970 said: Russian soldiers are as disciplined as the rabble participating in Trump rallies... You can cut that right out. This isn't a US political thread. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Anders_1970 said: Russian soldiers are as disciplined as the rabble participating in Trump rallies... Not the place for this at all. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders_1970 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kinophile said: You can cut that right out. This isn't a US political thread. I'm sure most people get that I'm not talking about US politics. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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