Haiduk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Russians shot down our Mi-8, which flew from Mariupol with injured soldiers onboard. The crash site is near Rybatske village in 5 km from SW outskirt of Mariupol. Judging on Azov's Telegram there were several successfull routes, but probably Russians inelligence uncover theses flights and helicopter was ambushed Edited March 31, 2022 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Russians still have teeth, unfortunately. Very sad to see, Haiduk. My condolences for the ongoing murders of your countrymen. Hopefully in the expected Russian Donbas offensive they will once again go full Guderian and race down single roads, heedless of securing any width. Then Ukraine forces can cut them off and chop them up. Definitely a lot easier than trying to displace dug in troops that have supplies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, danfrodo said: Russians still have teeth, unfortunately. Very sad to see, Haiduk. My condolences for the ongoing murders of your countrymen. War is always inavitable losses, alas... UKR forces struck retreating column of Russians NW of Kyiv 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) From that column, looks like another T-72B obr. 1989 or T-72BA (I think latter) with improvised, add-on Konakt-1 ERA: Here was the previous one pictured: Edited March 31, 2022 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Beeeyuuuuteeeeful! That's one unit that won't be causing trouble down south! I hope to see more of this, russian forces getting smashed while trying to run away. And might start more of the panic/mutiny/collapse we've been wanting. But most of all this is less force for other sectors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Bit more on possible Chernobyl exposure issues: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) One more destroyed column. Location unknown, but "O" marking points NE direction, probably Chernihiv or Kyiv oblast Edited March 31, 2022 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 36 minutes ago, Haiduk said: War is always inavitable losses, alas... UKR forces struck retreating column of Russians NW of Kyiv Same BMP-2 of the first picture / Part 1 A Ukrainian soldier looks at a destroyed Russian armored vehicle after Ukrainian forces overran a Russian position outside kyiv, Ukraine, Thursday, March 31, 2022. VADIM GHIRDA / AP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 SOF ambushed small Russian convoy. Fuel tank truck destroyed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, AlsatianFelix said: I go way back to CM:BO but haven't been around for years. I knew this group would have interesting ideas and comments about Ukraine. Haven't been disappointed. The scale of Russian losses at Trostyanets is staggering. This video is more on the topic with a good interview of a Ukrainian soldier talking about the tactics they use. Adding 130,000 Russian conscripts alone won't change anything but the body count. Always good to see old faces returning, even if from a life of lurking One interesting thing on this video that I've been thinking about in more general terms... Readers of this thread will know how many times and how many ways I've addressed the experts getting this war wrong from the start and then not learning much after. The Ukrainian soldier "Vlad" in this video indicated yet another reason for this. We've talked about how the big picture people really don't understand the tactical details that determine how larger military ops and strategic outcomes are shaped. Vlad said that the Russian soldiers are basically cowards once their armor is killed off. This is a good example of why things might look one way on paper and a different way in a tactical battle. On paper a company sized force of mixed armor and infantry still looks pretty powerful if you knock out a couple of tanks. The thinking is "well, the infantry is fine so there's still a lot of combat potential". However, if the morale of the 100+ dismounts is psychologically linked to those tanks, then their combat value is also affected. We tactical gamers understand that a plan can completely fall apart if key assets are taken out of the fight too early. And it might not just be the number of tanks lost, it could be what those tanks were supposed to accomplish. If you have 10 tanks under your command and you send 3 around to flank the enemy, but lose them, your plan might not be 33% degraded it could be 100% out of commission. So on and so forth. Just more reasons why big picture thinkers need to spend more time understanding the realities of tactical warfare. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: Always good to see old faces returning, even if from a life of lurking One interesting thing on this video that I've been thinking about in more general terms... Readers of this thread will know how many times and how many ways I've addressed the experts getting this war wrong from the start and then not learning much after. The Ukrainian soldier "Vlad" in this video indicated yet another reason for this. We've talked about how the big picture people really don't understand the tactical details that determine how larger military ops and strategic outcomes are shaped. Vlad said that the Russian soldiers are basically cowards once their armor is killed off. This is a good example of why things might look one way on paper and a different way in a tactical battle. On paper a company sized force of mixed armor and infantry still looks pretty powerful if you knock out a couple of tanks. The thinking is "well, the infantry is fine so there's still a lot of combat potential". However, if the morale of the 100+ dismounts is psychologically linked to those tanks, then their combat value is also affected. We tactical gamers understand that a plan can completely fall apart if key assets are taken out of the fight too early. And it might not just be the number of tanks lost, it could be what those tanks were supposed to accomplish. If you have 10 tanks under your command and you send 3 around to flank the enemy, but lose them, your plan might not be 33% degraded it could be 100% out of commission. So on and so forth. Just more reasons why big picture thinkers need to spend more time understanding the realities of tactical warfare. Steve You also learn a lot about the importance of good commanders/ plans playing CMBS, you can turn a guaranteed victory into smoking wreckage in two bad turns. I used to think I was world class at this, but after seeing the Russians level of expertise..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: Just more reasons why big picture thinkers need to spend more time understanding the realities of tactical warfare. Steve The sales pitch? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Russia drafts 134,500 conscripts but says they won't go to Ukraine (msn.com) Just the ones who "voluntarily" sign up to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, sburke said: Russia drafts 134,500 conscripts but says they won't go to Ukraine (msn.com) Just the ones who "voluntarily" sign up to do so. Oddly, that will be all of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 An earlier post said Russia was sending teachers and trainers from its war colleges into Ukraine. Will there be anyone around to train all these conscripts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) UKR mobile group of MANPAD. Crowdfunded pick-ups turned out more useful for AT/MANPAD-teams, than statuatory armored vehicles Edited March 31, 2022 by Haiduk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 This claims to show UKR artillery on VDV 2S25 Sprut-SDs, but looks more like BMD-2s and BTR-Ds to me: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: Vlad said that the Russian soldiers are basically cowards once their armor is killed off. I got the impression that he thought they were cowards from the beginning, operating only behind their armour. Which we gamers know is... suboptimal combined arms tactics. 49 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: We tactical gamers understand that a plan can completely fall apart if key assets are taken out of the fight too early. We also understand how poor tactics can lead to those assets being lost even though the force ratios look favourable on paper. The Russians are scared of fighting without their tanks, and they're scared of protecting them, so they lose them and stop fighting... The commentators I see on UK terrestrial media don't get any of this. And they're still talking as if Russia can back up what it's already committed to Ukraine with "more of the same", which looks more and more unlikely; that's just simple counting of known numbers. And don't forget to subtract the conscripts... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Russians are retreating also east from Kyiv. Our troops liberated yesterday villages Ploske, Svitylnia and Hrebelky east from Brovary. There were first clashes near Nova Basan' - big village of Chernihiv oblast, were main mart of Russian BTG is located. On this map it pointed like already over Ukranian control, but officially this is not confirmed Here our drone recons fly over Nova Basan' to plan the operation of mop-up of this settlement. They see Russians prepare to withdaw. The voice in radio asks what way Russians choose - to Stara Basan' or to Bykiv and says that they is going to intercept their column. After that he asks coordinates and drone operator transmit it to the pad of his assistant and he probably will send it further to recons or to artillery via battlefield information system As if this Russian tank was captured in Nova Basan', but I still don't see strong confirmations that this settlement is our Edited March 31, 2022 by Haiduk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicdain Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Hi everyone, I've been absent from Battlefront.com forums for a long time. When this war started I thought that a discussion on the subject was surely ongoing on BFC forum, so it's since the end of February that I am following this thread daily, even more often than TV news or social networks. I just wanted to thank BFC and all the people bringing forward this thread, sharing invaluable news and information on this tragic war. I hope that Ukrainian people regain their freedom and peace as soon as possible Niccolò 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, akd said: This claims to show UKR artillery on VDV 2S25 Sprut-SDs, but looks more like BMD-2s and BTR-Ds to me: I'm agree with you (and I bet on BTR-D). Moreover if they are 2S25, it would be the first ones recorded. There is any 2S25 Sprut-SD on Oryx Edited March 31, 2022 by Taranis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 A member of the Ukrainian special forces stands in front of a burning gas station after Russian attacks on the city of Kharkiv, March 30, 2022. FADEL SENNA / AFP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said: ... Vlad said that the Russian soldiers are basically cowards once their armor is killed off. This is a good example of why things might look one way on paper and a different way in a tactical battle. On paper a company sized force of mixed armor and infantry still looks pretty powerful if you knock out a couple of tanks. The thinking is "well, the infantry is fine so there's still a lot of combat potential". However, if the morale of the 100+ dismounts is psychologically linked to those tanks, then their combat value is also affected. We tactical gamers understand that a plan can completely fall apart if key assets are taken out of the fight too early. And it might not just be the number of tanks lost, it could be what those tanks were supposed to accomplish. If you have 10 tanks under your command and you send 3 around to flank the enemy, but lose them, your plan might not be 33% degraded it could be 100% out of commission. ... Vlad said that the Russian infantry is cowards. That the tanks LEAD the attacks and the infantry FOLLOWS. That as soon as the vehicles pass, the Ukrainians then attack the Russian infantry, who retreat. (Standing in front of a destroyed tank, the assumption is that after the Russian infantry is dead or has gone, the tanks are rife for ambush.) Edited March 31, 2022 by c3k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Russians are retreating also east from Kyiv. Our troops liberated yesterday villages Ploske, Svitylnia and Hrebelky east from Brovary. There were first clashes near Nova Basan' - big village of Chernihiv oblast, were main mart of Russian BTG is located. On this map it pointed like already over Ukranian control, but officially this is not confirmed Here our drone recons fly over Nova Basan' to plan the operation of mop-up of this settlement. They see Russians prepare to withdaw. The voice in radio asks what way Russians choose - to Stara Basan' or to Bykiv and says that they is going to intercept their column. After that he asks coordinates and drone operator transmit it to the pad of his assistant and he probably will send it further to recons or to artillery via battlefield information system As if this Russian tank was captured in Nova Basan', but I still don't see strong confirmations that this settlement is our Note to russian soldiers in Nova basan: this would be a really good time to disappear from your unit and surrender. That BTG is probably gonna get smashed given that it has to move through contested (maybe better word is 'infested') areas to get back to friendly lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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