sburke Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Rinaldi said: 1st of 4th is a dedicated OPFOR unit so it using dated equipment is by no means a good measure of what is front line equipment, @sburke wasn't suggesting it was. Was merely noting the paint scheme and track configuration. I am pretty certain I knew the M113 is not standard front line equipment...… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinaldi Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Glad you know :^), just pointing out that it's all the more reason not to see it in. Edited February 15, 2019 by Rinaldi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid_burn Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Rinaldi said: Glad you know :^), just pointing out that it's all the more reason not to see it in. I wouldn't be opposed as long as they included a variant that has the m47 Dragon mounted on top. With Ukraine essentially being the Soviets circa 1985, we could finally have our cold war gone hot game in the form of Black Sea. Edited February 15, 2019 by sid_burn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinaldi Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Putting the Dragon in would finally silence those who believe @Battlefront.com is a NATO stooge; finally a BLUE ATGM with an equally hilarious failure rate of the average RED one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Rinaldi said: Glad you know :^), just pointing out that it's all the more reason not to see it in. You really feel the need to tell other folks what they should or should not want in the game? Don't kill my dreams. Samarra Iraq 2008 Edited February 15, 2019 by sburke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinaldi Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, sburke said: You really feel the need to tell other folks what they should or should not want in the game? Don't kill my dreams. Samarra Iraq 2008 Only when it's asinine. Yes, a m113 in an insurgency - definitely a front-line unit for a conventional, fictional conflict. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Sequoia said: Battlefront games are really good at getting exact TO&E. Since a M113 model was already in the game I wonder why this HQ vehicle was left out? I'm not expecting every element (maintenance and chow trucks etc and of course Medics) but this M113 seems like it would be part of the combat element . There was a massive (and inevitably heated) debate about it after the original CMSF was launched. The view was that vehicles in-game should be combat, command or combat support only and the M-113 fell outside of those brackets. No different from the Brits really, armoured and armoured infantry units typically have a couple of FV-432s in Coy HQs performing similar functions to the M-113s in their US equivalents (ambulance and carting around the suppliers) but do not appear in the TO&E because of the Battlefront policy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, sburke said: You really feel the need to tell other folks what they should or should not want in the game? Don't kill my dreams. Samarra Iraq 2008 It would be great if a modder could crack on with those early OIF era uniforms. I have a scenario in progress that would be improved by said uniform mod. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rinaldi said: Only when it's asinine. Yes, a m113 in an insurgency - definitely a front-line unit for a conventional, fictional conflict. gee thanks really appreciate the positive helpful feedback that is not at all opinionated. Must be an East Sussex thing. How much different (and civil) it could be if you had said for example - "Yes, an m113 in an insurgency - but definitely not a front-line unit for a conventional, fictional conflict." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid_burn Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, sburke said: gee thanks really appreciate the positive helpful feedback that is not at all opinionated. Must be an East Sussex thing. How much different (and civil) it could be if you had said for example - "Yes, an m113 in an insurgency - but definitely not a front-line unit for a conventional, fictional conflict." I think @Rinaldi is also missing the great mod potential here. The m113 is still in front line service with a lot of senior NATO partners who somebody might want to mod in. I could easily see people modding in scenarios for major NATO allies like Turkey, Norway, Lithuania, and Greece, who all use the M113 still (which might make up for Steve's unusual dlc choices). Edited February 15, 2019 by sid_burn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, sid_burn said: I think @Rinaldi is also missing the great mod potential here. The m113 is still in front line service with a lot of senior NATO partners who somebody might want to mod in. I could easily see people modding in scenarios for major NATO allies like Turkey, Norway, Lithuania, and Greece, who all use the M113 still (which might make up for Steve's unusual dlc choices). Yeah I wasn't going there because I thought it was so freaking obvious especially when the whole description included fictional conflict. Heck modding it as a medevac vehicle alone would be cool. But honestly given the forces and time frame I think it works better in CMSF2.. and there is already a vehicle close enough in there. I also love @Combatintman noting about another mod for it, but this is a CMBS thread so I am pretty much taking it off the rails. Sorry Edited February 15, 2019 by sburke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf65 Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 This is sort of on topic, but it relates to Shock Force. What about the addition of the Israelis? That would make for some interesting scenarios and might be a way to include the M-113s and it's variants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z1812 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 hours ago, WhiteWolf65 said: This is sort of on topic, but it relates to Shock Force. What about the addition of the Israelis? That would make for some interesting scenarios and might be a way to include the M-113s and it's variants. I have wondered about this as well. It does seem a good fit. I think it probably has to do with the difficulty in putting together the TO&E. As I understand it, the Israeli's modify a lot of their equipment to suit their specific needs. So the coding and making of the models would probably be very time consuming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) If, and it is a BIG IF, any other army is added to Shock Force in a module, Steve had mentioned it would be the French. If you want to discuss it more we should take it to the Shock Force forums where if you really want me to I will find the posts. Oh and I'm surprised no one has made the Gavin reference yet. Edited February 16, 2019 by Sequoia PS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Yes I cannot wait to conquer Israel! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf65 Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, Sequoia said: If, and it is a BIG IF, any other army is added to Shock Force in a module, Steve had mentioned it would be the French. If you want to discuss it more we should take it to the Shock Force forums where if you really want me to I will find the posts. Oh and I'm surprised no one has made the Gavin reference yet. If you would like to make a similar post to the Shock Force forums, I would appreciate that (still learning some of the ins and outs with the forums). The French???? Hmm, I'd have to give that one some thought but the LeClerc MBT would be interesting to see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf65 Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 On 2/6/2019 at 10:33 AM, IanL said: Those will not likely be added to the game. The T14 and it's variants are not being fielded to this day and certainly none were fielded during the time frame that CMBS is set. These are just prototype vehicles even now in 2019. Agreed. I got carried away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf65 Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 This may be a real bad case of wishful thinking, but what about the Hellenic and Italian armies since we are discussing NATO units? Greece uses many of the variants of the M-113. Again, probably a bad case of wishful thinking or gas or both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 hours ago, WhiteWolf65 said: Agreed. I got carried away. LOL that is easy to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 On 2/15/2019 at 8:43 AM, Sequoia said: Battlefront games are really good at getting exact TO&E. Since a M113 model was already in the game I wonder why this HQ vehicle was left out? I'm not expecting every element (maintenance and chow trucks etc and of course Medics) but this M113 seems like it would be part of the combat element . It's pretty close to a chow truck/maintenance vehicle. Both US Mech infantry and Armor companies have the M113 in the Company HQ, but in practical terms it's a way for the Company 1SG and HQ personnel (mechanics, clerk, chemical protection NCO etc) to have a protected ride. You also generally have an M113 ambulance attached. By 2014 the M113 was really very rare outside of HQs from my experience. 1 ABCT 2 ID back when that existed (2014 weirdly enough!) only had them in the Company HQs in the base model, plus ambulances and the various command post/mortar carrier variants. The engineers were all in M2s of some vintage (I think they might have been in A2 ODSes, but might have also been A3s as thats what the rest of the BCT used). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 maybe an enterprising modder can do them as UN vehicles 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 9:20 PM, sid_burn said: Really? Wow. God Bless Ukraine, I'm so glad we live in this timeline. We could have lived in boring times instead. https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-biggest-enemy-threadbare-army-bundeswehr/ On a recent trip to Lithuania, where about 450 German soldiers are stationed as part of a NATO mission to deter Russian aggression, U.S. officials were dismayed to discover Bundeswehr personnel communicating on unsecure mobile phones due to a shortage of secure radio equipment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid_burn Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-biggest-enemy-threadbare-army-bundeswehr/ Frederick and Wilhelm II must be turning over in their graves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 IIRC you see the First Sgt showing in the element in the UI if the CO becomes a casualty, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, sid_burn said: Frederick and Wilhelm II must be turning over in their graves Who? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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