Armorgunner Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) This is a double post, since i posted the same question in FI. But i think there is more visitors here, that´s why So, copy/paste from CMFI Hello my CM friends I'm about to buy a new computer. But what matters most when I'm playing CM? current computer: Core I7 950 3,06 Ghz (Turbo 3,2) 4c 8t. 18Gb 1600mHz RAM. GeForce 970, and only HDD´s. No SSD, Win 10. I´m about to buy a brand new computer. But for CM games, what is most important? I like to play big Battles, Battalion+ Vs Battalion+. About 1000-2000 soldiers on each side Vs the Ai. So i guess quite CPU intensive? But what matters most in that case? 4,6 or 8 cores? or high Clock, like the 4 Core I7 7700K? And what about GPU and HDD/SSD? Any tip from CM players that have changed their hardware is welcome Regards Richard Edited April 10, 2017 by Armorgunner What the hell, Richard is my real name 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Armorgunner, Am no computer expert, and I'm a Mac guy, too, but I still have a morsel which may help you. BFC has said there is no multicore capability in the games and that implementing same would be a lot of work for an unknown level of improvement. Consequently, it would seem cores, for CM play, at least, would be irrelevant. They would, of course, be a very big deal in the super processing intensive current and future FPS games and such. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, John Kettler said: Armorgunner, Am no computer expert, and I'm a Mac guy, too, but I still have a morsel which may help you. BFC has said there is no multicore capability in the games and that implementing same would be a lot of work for an unknown level of improvement. Consequently, it would seem cores, for CM play, at least, would be irrelevant. They would, of course, be a very big deal in the super processing intensive current and future FPS games and such. Regards, John Kettler Yeah i was told the same in the FI thread. But what about the rest of the computer? Fast RAM, does it matter? GPU, GF1060 6Gb or 1070 8Gb. Will i notice any difference? HDD or SSD? I will surely buy an SSD for the C:. But i wonder if an SSD will make a difference as a game disk to? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, Armorgunner said: Yeah i was told the same in the FI thread. But what about the rest of the computer? Fast RAM, does it matter? GPU, GF1060 6Gb or 1070 8Gb. Will i notice any difference? HDD or SSD? I will surely buy an SSD for the C:. But i wonder if an SSD will make a difference as a game disk to? All of that and choose an NVidia GPU. The Open GL support in their drivers have been better than the drivers from AMD for all the time I have been playing this game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, IanL said: All of that and choose an NVidia GPU. The Open GL support in their drivers have been better than the drivers from AMD for all the time I have been playing this game. Thank you for that info 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, IanL said: All of that and choose an NVidia GPU. The Open GL support in their drivers have been better than the drivers from AMD for all the time I have been playing this game. Hmm got quite expensive on my end here. If i have to prioritize? What is best 2 out of 3: Fast RAM 2133Mhz - 3200Mhz. Fast GPU 1060 6Gb - 1070 8 Gb. Fast game disk: HDD - SSD Samsung Pro/Evo? I´m not interested in general gaming/working performance, just CM gaming performance! Edited April 10, 2017 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Am no expert, but when I did my research for new machines it seemed that fast GPU and SSD were more important than fast RAM. (More RAM was better.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Erwin said: Am no expert, but when I did my research for new machines it seemed that fast GPU and SSD were more important than fast RAM. (More RAM was better.) Do you think that a 1070 will benefit more over a 1060 6Gb, Than Fast RAM. It will be 16Gb in any of the speeds. Regards Richard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrTom Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 For what it's worth, I think an SSD vs an HDD likely only affects the load times. I doubt CM loads anything dynamically from the disc, or if it does, it's not often. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Armorgunner said: Hmm got quite expensive on my end here. If i have to prioritize? What is best 2 out of 3: Fast RAM 2133Mhz - 3200Mhz. Fast GPU 1060 6Gb - 1070 8 Gb. Fast game disk: HDD - SSD Samsung Pro/Evo? I´m not interested in general gaming/working performance, just CM gaming performance! I have no idea what effect memory speed will have on CM. I agree with @HerrTom that the SSD will likely only effect load times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herr_oberst Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I would guess CPU is for computing turn results, GPU is for rendering, which is where all the really cool stuff happens. Disk? Meh, once the game is loaded, that's kind of a moot point, but SSD is nice all around. Who cares if it takes another 2 seconds to compute the results of a turn. What you want is nice replay. Put your money where your eyes are. My 2 cents (yeah, I know, I still run a GeForce GTX 660 Ti, 2GB, but my desired upgrade path is over $1k, so it's gotta wait). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 hours ago, IanL said: I have no idea what effect memory speed will have on CM. I agree with @HerrTom that the SSD will likely only effect load times. I guess the gaming SSD have to be on standby, for the future. When my wife maybe gives a green light for it. Thanks for all your time Regards Richard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I've gone from CM on my OS SSD to having it on data Hard Drive (a spinner). I have not noticed any load time changes. But, I did not time the loads, so this is purely subjective. However, since swapping my 90+GB CM installation off my SSD, I have not felt any desire to put it back. FWIW. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Likewise and there's no perceptible difference in load times for me either. Edited April 11, 2017 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewood1 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I literally just upgraded from a 1Tb HD to a 1Tb SSD two days ago. In CMBS, load times are 20% faster. Also, the micro-stuttering I used to get as I moved the view around the map has disappeared. Turns don't seem to process any faster, but anything that had any form of disk access is a lot faster and smoother. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 The i7 950 is still a good processor for being (first generation?) so old. The ultimate limitation would have to be the games engine. As others have vouched for (and not) a ssd could help in some aspects. If I had your setup I would probably get a couple 480gb ssd's and throw them in raid 0 for your games. I have an i5 2500k and I see no need to upgrade for a very long time. I would also like to add there is no best pc for anything ;-) Cheers! Save your cash! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 36 minutes ago, Artkin said: The i7 950 is still a good processor for being (first generation?) so old. The ultimate limitation would have to be the games engine. As others have vouched for (and not) a ssd could help in some aspects. If I had your setup I would probably get a couple 480gb ssd's and throw them in raid 0 for your games. I have an i5 2500k and I see no need to upgrade for a very long time. I would also like to add there is no best pc for anything ;-) Cheers! Save your cash! Yes it is first gen I7. And its not getting thrown away. Its just going from the office, to the livingroom. To be the mediacenter there. There is a new tax on all electronics starting the first or last of july (dont remember now). So after that date, it will be much more expensive to buy a new computer. Otherwise i had probably waited another year or so. And The only other game than CM i play right now, is Arma 3. And according to techreport i will probably double my fps there, with a 7700k and fast RAM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Oh I hadn't heard of a tax... of course they're trying to dip into what everyone's buying. Personally I'd wait for a major advancement in cpus depending on the tax. Best of luck! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) What country we talking about re tax? Sweden? (Sucks, man...) Edited April 11, 2017 by Erwin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Ontario setup a fee on all electronic goods purchased to fund proper recycling facilities. Now we have places were we can drop off used / broken electronic goods for free instead of sneaking them into the land fill because no one wanted to pay to properly recycle them. For us it was not a large $ amount and it probably didn't change anyone's purchasing plans very much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Huh. I've always just loaded all my old electronic junk into my car and driven them up to Canada. Dropped 'em by the side of the road. At night. In a snow storm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowLarry Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Armorgunner said: Yes it is first gen I7. And its not getting thrown away. Its just going from the office, to the livingroom. To be the mediacenter there. There is a new tax on all electronics starting the first or last of july (dont remember now). So after that date, it will be much more expensive to buy a new computer. Otherwise i had probably waited another year or so. And The only other game than CM i play right now, is Arma 3. And according to techreport i will probably double my fps there, with a 7700k and fast RAM. The 7700k is a great processor, im going to get one too in the near future. You will find things speeding up in CM too. As others have said here, the single biggest factor for CM perfomance is cpu, and as CM only uses a single core thats all thats needed. So one core of 4,2GHz will be quite comfortable, ie boosting your experience a lot. When i went from a 3.2Core2duo to a i5 with 3,4 it almost doubled up turn processing. Loading times get a little faster with ssd, not as much as i had hoped. Though its still noticeable. Im not so sure about fast RAM. I might be wrong, but i feel that all those different RAMs are more or less unnoticeable when playing and built because people will pay more if there is some kind of boost associated with it. I played around with an old pc a while back, and setting different RAM timings, using higher memory bandwidth etc did not change much gamewise( not talking about CM here). Id still go for dual channel RAM, ie 2*8GB. Re the gpu, both the 1060 and the 1070 will play CM at highest setting, no problem. They are totally overpowered for the CM engine, and will probably die bored... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Erwin said: What country we talking about re tax? Sweden? (Sucks, man...) Yes, only in Sweden. And we already have the world's highest taxes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 52 minutes ago, SlowLarry said: The 7700k is a great processor, im going to get one too in the near future. You will find things speeding up in CM too. As others have said here, the single biggest factor for CM perfomance is cpu, and as CM only uses a single core thats all thats needed. So one core of 4,2GHz will be quite comfortable, ie boosting your experience a lot. When i went from a 3.2Core2duo to a i5 with 3,4 it almost doubled up turn processing. Loading times get a little faster with ssd, not as much as i had hoped. Though its still noticeable. Im not so sure about fast RAM. I might be wrong, but i feel that all those different RAMs are more or less unnoticeable when playing and built because people will pay more if there is some kind of boost associated with it. I played around with an old pc a while back, and setting different RAM timings, using higher memory bandwidth etc did not change much gamewise( not talking about CM here). Id still go for dual channel RAM, ie 2*8GB. Re the gpu, both the 1060 and the 1070 will play CM at highest setting, no problem. They are totally overpowered for the CM engine, and will probably die bored... I think there are only a very few games, that benefit from fast RAM. But Arma 3 is one of them http://techreport.com/review/31179/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-cpu-reviewed/11 And in most games the Bloomfield first gen I7 is as fast as a Skylake http://www.pcgamer.com/bloomfield-takes-on-skylake/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) For CM you need the best single-core performance. Sadly. Get i5 that ends with K (save money, don't get i7 which is exactly the same thing + hyperthreading which doesn't help with gaming), get good cooling, overclock i5 (recent ones can go up to 5 GHz per core if you are lucky) and enjoy. As for storage... I've tried running heavily modded (meaning more stuff to load) CMBS from HDD and SSD (850 EVO which is quite good) and didn't notice any difference. It still took quite a bit to load. Something else might be the bottleneck when it comes to loading. Edited April 11, 2017 by kraze 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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