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I think the Abrams in CMBS is somewhat more godly than in reality. I also think the technical aspects of armored vehicles matters less in real wars than in war games. In an actual war between NATO and

Western tanks were designed to hold the Fulda. They're heavier, bigger and designed with ergonomics in mind. They were to hold out as long as they could, focusing on the anti-vehicle role. Disable as

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6 hours ago, Vanir Ausf B said:

Sadly by this point he was already removed from the insider information and as you could see by the dates (pre 2015) this information is rather outdated and he finishes it by stating that factory number 9 did complete modernisation.
 

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On 4/21/2020 at 3:13 AM, ikalugin said:

You are just comparing the wrong elements

So you say the difference in length is due to the fact they added one meter to the chamber but it's covered by armor so we cannot see it? One whole meter of length to the volume of the gun chamber? Are you kidding? It'll blow up the whole tank not just the gun.

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On 4/26/2020 at 4:02 PM, IMHO said:

So you say the difference in length is due to the fact they added one meter to the chamber but it's covered by armor so we cannot see it? One whole meter of length to the volume of the gun chamber? Are you kidding? It'll blow up the whole tank not just the gun.

Not exactly but yes.
The increase in the chamber volume is there to both increase pressure and to allow longer sabots. This is incidentally the bigger challenge for T90M - it needs to fit the autoloader which is non trivial.

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Note both the longer sabot with extra charge and the longer powder charge that goes behind it when compared to the classics.

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More relevant to the discussion - the GPV 2027 (or 2020 for the time frame represented) procurement plan is a good guide is what is actually being built once you get away from the RT. Long story short, at the CM level the Russians are almost certainly over-equipped in game, even by state targets. The ground forces only get 14% of the budget, and even then a lot of that is being channeled into long range artillery , VDV rapid-deployment initiatives, and operational level systems - all of which might shape a scenario, but aren't immediately applicable to the CM map.

The Russian tanker is far more likely to ride to war in an upgraded T-72B3, or even one of the T-80s hastily re-modernized to cover the Armata production gaps, than he is to be in a T-90M.

Likewise for IFVs. Given scaling back of BMP-3 production and the BMP-3 Dragoon lines only expanding in 2019, the odds are pretty even that the Russian rifleman is still riding a BMP-2, and will be well until the late 2020s and beyond given the decision to package upgrade many of those rather than pursue more BMP-3s.

On top of which, an increased on upgrading the BMD and developing newer models - the VDV's utility for operation in the near abroad has bumped them back up the food chain - means that many of these programs will likely be lower on the docket, as will attempts to salvage the Armata series combat vehicle production programs.

And then we have ATGMs. Mass equipping with Kornets has also proven impractical, and the bulk of Russian ATGMs are older systems.  

Basically, what most Russian battalions have in CM already represents a pinnacle force of which there would be few - a bit like finding a force of big cats in the WWII version of the game. 

https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/publications/research/2018-05-10-russia-state-armament-programme-connolly-boulegue-final.pdf

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53 minutes ago, ikalugin said:

It is the problem with predicting the future, same happened to US and Ukrainian forces.

The same didn't happen to U.S. forces.  The U.S. military has massively more funding and resources and are in a much better shape than Russian forces.

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On 6/5/2020 at 5:02 AM, Sulomon said:

The same didn't happen to U.S. forces.  The U.S. military has massively more funding and resources and are in a much better shape than Russian forces.

Did US field XM-25 grenade launchers in mass that the game has? No programs were delayed or cancelled? That was my point - the game has many weapon systems that did not see widespread adoption in the real time line, for example Oplot tanks for the Ukrainians, because it is hard to predict the future. As to funding and resources US sure does get a lot of money, but maybe not as much in relation to other countries as you may think:

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Several KBP weapon videos in one: RPO family of weapons, Shmel and Shmel M. Even has English subtitles, a big improvement from the earlier Russian only Shmel and Shmel M video I saw, I believe, a couple of years ago. Shmel M has the firepower equivalent of a 105 mm HE shell, but in open ground, has a kill radius of only 7 meters. Mind, if it happens to blow off a chunk of the target, that can go quite some distance.
 

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There is precedent for a new Russian tank model to be delivered with an older gun design. This is exactly the way it went on the T-64, in which the first version was armed with the T-62's 115 mm U-5TS gun, not the then revolutionary 2A46 smoothbore 125 mm. Have eyeballed the relevant then SECRET (with additional control markings) images, so I know exactly what I'm talking about. The 2A46 is a mature technology, and the 2A46M5 builds on that, but now we have the original 2A82 which isn't the all-up version (but is producible with current tooling and materials), versus the 2A82-1M specifically designed for the T-14 Armata and intended  to give the Russians tank primacy (but apparently can't be produced for want of proper tooling and high tensile steel). Suspect the latter deficiency may have something to do with huge drop in Russian submarine production, but would think, given the relatively minor amounts needed, relative to as little as a single submarine hull, the necessary high tensile steel could be made available. Do I have things right regarding producibility of the baseline 2A82?

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Can well understand why you'd prefer to avoid an FSB interview, to use the FBI term here in the US. 

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John Kettler

 

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MIkeD,

Back during my Soviet Threat Analyst days in military aerospace, I believe the Soviet crew height limit was 5'5" and may still be so today. This makes it possible to build a lower height tank than the west can, provide substantial armor protection for a smaller volume, meet narrow gauge rail dimension limits and be able to use the same bridges earlier tanks used. By contrast, the US tanks are designed for the 90th percentile man. In round numbers, a guy 6'1".That's an 8" height difference, which has massive impact on size, height and weight, presuming identical technologies, but the US armor array is much heavier for any given volume protected, than the Russian armor array, never mind the dramatic disparity in volume to be protected. US tanks are designed to operate worldwide, but the first criterion of a Russian tank design is low height, an absolute necessity on the steppe. But what's great for there causes problems elsewhere, notably in depression limits roughly half that of US tanks. For example, the M60 A1 could depress to -10 degrees, but the T-62A could manage only -5 degrees. In order to shoot from a hilltop position downward, the American exposed only the turret front, but from that same position, the Russian had not only the turret exposed but a significant chunk of the glacis, too.

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This documentary would've been worth millions to the west in the early 1980s, but while it lacks English subtitles, it is rich with previously unseen by most imagery and tech data. It's particularly apt in that it shows the original T-64 was fitted with the 115 mm (U5TS), but the T-64A debuted the revolutionary 2A46 smoothbore cannon. Later, the T-64B added the CLGM (Cannon Launched Guided Missile) we called AT-8/SONGSTER. Note the tank was originally fitted with gill armor (panels pivot out) creating a considerable obstacle to HEAT rounds fired at flanks from frontal arm to either side of the front hull,
 

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John Kettler

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Mods,

This seems like a good place for this video, but if not, by all means move it.

9K115 Metis-M vs Syrian T-72 (flank shot). Note that the tank continues moving and apparently turns on its smoke generator, too. Am classifying this as a K-Kill. FX modders will find this video of interest, both visually and acoustically.
 


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Yesterday, I was introduced by my youngest brother, Charles, to the incredible soldier figures in 1/35th scale by an outfit called Live-Resin. Any of you who builds 1/35 scale models is going to be blown away by the dazzling quality and poses of these figures. Additionally, I believe that the meticulous attention to uniforms,  kit, positioning of gear, etc. would make them valuable references for modders. The pics my brother sent were the crew and dismounts for a Night Stalkers MH-6 Little Bird, but the firm also does Russian soldiers from several modern periods. As a result, I discovered the Russians had a capability I never heard of before--a radar equipped HMG for ground combat! Other goodies include every sevice version RPG projectile, even the latest vehicle mounted Russian EW system for defense against IEDs and such. 

The radar system is called FARA by Live-Resin's ad and, though likely designed for the 12.7 mm NSV HMG, it can also be fitted to a Dushka. This is the first I've learned of such a thing, and back when I was a Soviet Threat Analyst, there was precisely zero mention of even a Soviet interest in such a capability, much less hardware. The Red Army did, though, have several different models of GSR (Ground Surveillance Radar). 

(Fair Use) Pics are from the firm's FB page. https://www.facebook.com/LiveResin/

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Here's the real deal on a Dushka. Same source.

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Here's what I turned up. If it's not already in the game, here's enough information to model its capabilities. The correct designation is Fara-1, and it is explicitly called a Weapon guidance Radar, It can be used on AGS-17, Kord and Pechenga HMGs. Entered service in 1999! Resolution is good enough to detect and engage a single moving man at effective range of the weapons named. 

http://gunrf.ru/rg_pricel_Fara-1_eng.html

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John Kettler

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Agreed, Erwin. If it didn't say, I would think it was the real thing. However, the intriguing radar must have some defect, as we don't seem to have seen it on the battlefield, and the Russians have tested everything they can in Syria.

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22 hours ago, John Kettler said:

The correct designation is Fara-1, and it is explicitly called a Weapon guidance Radar, It can be used on AGS-17, Kord and Pechenga HMGs. Entered service in 1999!

This is upgrade of SBR-3 "Fara", designed in 1969 and adopted in 1976. SBR-3 is portable version of PSNR-5 radar, which using in CMBS in BRM-1K and PRP-4 vehicles. There is one SBR-3 have to be in each Soviet rifle company (in HQ), but as I read, mostly this device didn't use, because for proper usage it demands a good trained operator. Merging SBR-3 to AGS-17 and different MGs took place in Afganistan and showed good results on group targets. New versions of SBR/PSNR has output to computer display, which simplify the work and indetnification of targets - in the original device operator listened attentively in radar squeaks and by chanhing of it tunes he can judge about the type of target and distance. 

In CMBS PSNR-5 works unrealistically precise. It shows real position of traget and it clear identification, but it should show approx position and general type (infanryman, group of infantry, armor, truck etc)

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Here's a super detailed video on the BMP-3M. The information content is off the charts, and the maker, KBP of Tula, Russia, offers three different upgrade packages for the BMP-3. KBP has managed to cram vast new capabilities into an already superbly armed amphibious IFV, including the ability to fire CLGMs while moving! 
 

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Thanks for sharing.

In the video, they say at 9:40:
"The FCS includes equipment providing automatic topographic positioning for capability of firing from closed positions against NLOS targets by aiming the 100mm gun on target with known coordinates."

Is this function to attack a particular position with BMP-3M against NLOS targets implemented in CMBS?

 

And later at 11:05:
"Having range of fire of HE-FRAG round up to 7000m and large ammunition allowance, the BMP-3M can conduct an artillery barrage on enemy's forward edge with high accuracy thus without need to call for artillery support."

Is this "artillery support" function also possible in CMBS?

 

And funny, at the end of video, I noticed the telephone number to order one... ūüėĀ

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