GLynn41 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I had not seen it mentioned if so sorry - it is of course to us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeel Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 liiiiiink? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Here ya go http://www.wargamer.com/article/3215/community-interview-combat-mission-fortress-italy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger33 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Seems they couldn't pry anything new out of Steve. Nice screenshots though, some I haven't seen before, though I might have just missed them elsewhere. Unrelated, but in the comments someone mentioned that PC:O is half off and freshly patched...must resist...who am I kidding, time to scratch that East Front itch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Seems they couldn't pry anything new out of Steve. Nice screenshots though, some I haven't seen before, though I might have just missed them elsewhere. Well, there was this; "We haven't 100% nailed down the Commonwealth forces yet, but for sure Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand will be in the first module." I hadn't seen that mentioned before. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 What? Half of those aren't even countries, there goes the realism... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Since a great-uncle of mine died in Italy, I hope to see the South Africans represented at some point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 There was also this update about CoPlay: "CoPlay (cooperative play) is years away, if ever. The effort needed to make that happen is nothing short of massive and the demand for it somewhat questionable (especially compared to the other hundreds of significant features people ask for). Even if we thought there was a massive demand for CoPlay, we'd still hesitate." I hope they'll consider it even as turn based game mode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I don't understand why people want Cooperative Play. This to me would be a big waste of valuable programming time. Single players already have many distinct advantages vs the AI. Two players vs the AI would be even worse since players will be able to pause and discuss tactics. PvP is where multiplayer shines anyway. I'd much rather have BF develop the AI, map navigation, designer, and general features like flame units, UI, etc.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Cooperative play can be PvP, but I think very few people would actually use the feature. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 AFAIK CoPlay is NOT 2 human players vs AI, but let's say H2H with 2 human players on both sides. Since there is not one player controlling all units, it would take fog of war to new level and you'd see much more these things that really happen when all people do not have the same idea of what should be done etc. Just like PvP is much more interesting than playing against the AI, I think CoPlay would be a equally big step forward. But I guess BF has studied this "how many people are interested in feature X" quite throroughly, so I understand they have more important features to implement first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Since there is not one player controlling all units, it would take fog of war to new level and you'd see much more these things that really happen when all people do not have the same idea of what should be done etc. I think there might be a distinct uptick in the homicide rate between computer game players. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wartooth Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Well, there was this; "We haven't 100% nailed down the Commonwealth forces yet, but for sure Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand will be in the first module." I hadn't seen that mentioned before. Interesting, I am not aware of Australian Army involvement in any aspect of Italy, though am prepared to stand corrected if anybody has superior information. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Interesting, I am not aware of Australian Army involvement in any aspect of Italy, though am prepared to stand corrected if anybody has superior information. Not army, but there were formed units of Aussies in Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._454_Squadron_RAAF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._3_Squadron_RAAF http://www.awm.gov.au/units/unit_11143.asp I wonder it "Australia" was a typo (moutho?) for "India"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I see the question I submitted didn't get asked. Namely, whether there's truth to the rumor that, when at the computer play testing the Axis, Steve wears a coal scuttle helmet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I think there might be a distinct uptick in the homicide rate between computer game players. Some people take these games more seriously than othes I'm 100% sure CoPlay would produce awesome turn movies. Drama that pure AI just cannot produce. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 AFAIK CoPlay is NOT 2 human players vs AI, but let's say H2H with 2 human players on both sides. Since there is not one player controlling all units, it would take fog of war to new level and you'd see much more these things that really happen when all people do not have the same idea of what should be done etc. Just like PvP is much more interesting than playing against the AI, I think CoPlay would be a equally big step forward. But I guess BF has studied this "how many people are interested in feature X" quite throroughly, so I understand they have more important features to implement first. Well, wargames have been historically about 1v1. The meeting of two opposing tactical minds to see who comes out on top. I'm not saying that 2v2 wouldn't be fun or shouldn't be designed, it just doesn't seem to belong in the realistic wargame genre. Maybe one day it will be done but I don't think it will be worth the time to code for the many reasons listed above. I also don't think it would be a widely used feature unless a game lobby were implemented into the software. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I'm not sure about that article. They mostly asked him what BFC wasn't going to do. "Destraex: Are going to be shipping chocolate frosted cupcakes with each CD you sell? Steve: No, we haven't considered that for this release." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Well, wargames have been historically about 1v1. The meeting of two opposing tactical minds to see who comes out on top. I'm not saying that 2v2 wouldn't be fun or shouldn't be designed, it just doesn't seem to belong in the realistic wargame genre. Maybe one day it will be done but I don't think it will be worth the time to code for the many reasons listed above. I also don't think it would be a widely used feature unless a game lobby were implemented into the software. Maybe *some* wargames have been 1v1, but some others, like flight sims, have had Many vs Many mode for a long time. In those other games there can be dozens of people on both sides and still mission goals are reached and so on. I've played those other games quite a bit and even though gameplay isn't as well organized as when you command AI units, it is the game mode that interests me most. When there are more than one kind of minds with different skills (just like CM units have skill levels from Green to Crack), all sorts of interesting, unpredictable things happen. And this is what realistic WARS (not wargames) are like. A higher level officer may give order and it is executed by soldiers that may think differently, know different things about what is happening and so on. Agree about game lobby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJFHutch Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 "Other forces, such as Allied Italians, will likely work their way into the game in Packs (more unit focused than Modules)." BF is going into DLC now? I preferred the module/expansion pack method more myself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poesel Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Lets not forget one aspect: if coop would exist we would have 'friendly, not commandable' units. Which could be controlled by other players or the AI. These could be military units or civilians. Which opens up a lot of new possible scenarios (evacuating a village, freeing/escorting prisoners). Multiplayer campaigns would also greatly benefit from Coop. Pincer operations with 2v1 are currently (nearly) impossible. Coop is not a mainstream feature but IMHO more than just icing on the cake. Sometimes new ways are more interesting than new things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 "Other forces, such as Allied Italians, will likely work their way into the game in Packs (more unit focused than Modules)." BF is going into DLC now? I preferred the module/expansion pack method more myself. Not as such. 'Modules' are thematic entities, eg. Commonwealth forces. 'Packs' are more like collections of additional bits and pieces that are not necessarily related in any way, just new vehicles, formations, kitchen sink etc. In CMBN terms this could mean for example French tanks for Germans and Ranger battalion for the US. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Some people take these games more seriously than othes I'm 100% sure CoPlay would produce awesome turn movies. Drama that pure AI just cannot produce. Are you thinking of game play movies or the web cam footage while the players argue about how messed up the plan and whose mother wears army boots. There could be some good footage there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Game play movies. Actually how to divide units between players and how cooperative planning would be done, IMO those would be the key things when trying to make CoPlay work well. Both could lead into lethal arguments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Maybe *some* wargames have been 1v1, but some others, like flight sims, have had Many vs Many mode for a long time. In those other games there can be dozens of people on both sides and still mission goals are reached and so on. I've played those other games quite a bit and even though gameplay isn't as well organized as when you command AI units, it is the game mode that interests me most. When there are more than one kind of minds with different skills (just like CM units have skill levels from Green to Crack), all sorts of interesting, unpredictable things happen. And this is what realistic WARS (not wargames) are like. A higher level officer may give order and it is executed by soldiers that may think differently, know different things about what is happening and so on. Agree about game lobby. True, but just to be clear, when I say 'wargames' I mean the traditional Grognard term, i.e. hex tiled boardgames with rulebooks thicker than War and Peace , which I consider CM to be a direct descendant of. Flight sims and games like ARMA 2 can certainly be realistic but they're a totally different class of game than a wargame. Then there are a million RTS games which depict war but I would never classify them as a wargame just for the fact that they're not even trying to be realistic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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