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@Boche Yes please I'd love input to improve the Allied order of battle. When referring to Almansa as Cavalry does that mean it's a reconnaissance unit? @ithikal_AU Yes I see what you mean about the duplication. I'm pretty sure that's a copy and paste error. As I mentioned it's been some years since I wrote up this list. I believe the US units coming from Iraq were the actual units that were in country at the time. I'll have to research that again. I'll sort out which of the two divisions that brigade should belong to. I wonder if some one will make an Australian mod someday? I don't have the skill. Anyway I am thinking of making a "Vassal" module some day of this with the units mostly broken down by brigades. Some special units would be battalion. To make everything battalion level would require a very large map to make it the right scale Search for Vassal Engine if you are not familiar with what that is.

If I recall correctly ( I wrote this up years ago) I just selected what I thought was a reasonable mix of units from each country's forces at the time. I think there was a NATO brigade on Battlefront's map with the label of just "Sp". I'd be more than happy to hear of suggested changes.

Air Forces USA USAF in Iraq/Kuwait 72 F-15 72 F-16 36 A-10 USN 6th Fleet 2 Carriers in Med: 96 F/A-18 On Cyprus USAF 36 F-22 USMC 24 F/A-18 USMC 24 AV-8 Harrier USAF In Italy 12 B-52 12 B-1 UK RAF in Iraq/Kuwait 24 Typhoon 36 Tornado 12 Harrier On Cyprus 12 Tornado Australia In Kuwait 12 F/A-18 Canada In Turkey 24 F/A-18 Germany In Turkey 72 Tornado 12 Typhoon Netherlands In Turkey 24 F-16 France In Turkey 48 Mirage 2000 24 D Rafale Italy In Turkey 24 Tornado 12 Typhoon Spain In Turkey 12 F/A-18 In Cyprus 12 Typhoon Turkey 120 F-16 committed to campaign Poland In Turkey 12 Su-22 Romania In Turkey 12 MiG-21

And for convenience here is the Allied order of battle I composed years ago, again much of it inspired by the map from Shock Force I. Someone commented I have been over generous with the force I have given the Allies, but Allied forces would have months to prepare and the the dirty bomb scenario Battlefront came up with would inspire a NATO resolve much like the US had after 9-11. Attacking from Iraq US III Corps HQ US 4/227 Attack Helicopter battalion-AH-64 Apache US 3 battalion / 75th Ranger regiment US Elements Special Forces UK 22 SAS regiment (battalion size unit) Australia A company / 1 Commando regiment US 2nd Infantry Divison HQ US 3rd Mech brigade (Stryker) HQ / 2nd Inf division. US 8/1 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/17 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 2/1 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 4/23 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 3/17 Field Artillery battalion -155mm towed US 562 Engineer company US 4th Mech brigade (Heavy) 1st Cavalry division -assigned to 2nd Infantry Division US 1/9 Armored Cavalry battalion US 2/7 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 2/12 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 5/82 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 1st Mech brigade (Heavy) HQ / 4th Inf division -assigned to 2nd Infantry Division US 7/10 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/66 Mech (Heavy) battalion * (actual designation 1/66 Armor) US 1/22 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 4/42 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 2nd Mech Brigade (Styrker) HQ / 25th Inf division. (includes Task force Thunder) -assigned to 2nd Infantry Division US 2/14 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/14 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 1/21 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 1/27 Mech (Stryker) infantry battalion US 2/8 Field Artillery battalion -155mm towed US 73 Engineer company US 1st Cavalry Division HQ * actual designation of Mech (Heavy) battalions in 1st Cav Div are Cavalry. e.g. 2/5 Cavalry battalion US 1st Mech Brigade (Heavy) HQ 1st Cavalry Division US 1/7 Armored Cavalry battalion US 2/5 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 2/8 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 1/82 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 2nd Mech Brigade (Heavy) 1st Cavalry Division US 4/9 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/5 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 1/8 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 3/82 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 1st Mech Brigade (Heavy) HQ / 4th Inf Division. -assigned to 1st Cavalry Division US 7/10 Armored Cavalry battalion US 1/66 Mech (Heavy) battalion * (actual designation 1/66 Armor) US 1/22 Mech (Heavy) battalion US 4/42 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Mech Engineer Company US 4th Infantry Brigade (IBCT) HQ / 4th Inf Division. -assigned to 1st Cavalry Division US 3/61 Recon battalion US 1/12 Infantry battalion US 2/12 Infantry battalion US 2/77 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US Engineer Co Commonwealth Desert Force (CDF) -Division HQ UK Attack Helicopter Squadron (company size unit) -AH-64 Apache Australia 2 Armoured Cavalry regiment / 1st Brigade / 1st Australian Division (battalion size unit) UK 2 Parachute regiment / 16th Airborne Brigade (battalion size unit) UK 7th Armoured Brigade HQ / 1st Armoured Division-assigned to CDF UK 9/12 Royal Lancers Armoured Cavalry battalion UK Royal Scots Guards Armoured battalion UK The Highlanders Mech Infantry battalion UK 3 Mercian Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 2 Royal Fusiliers Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 3 Royal Horse Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled UK 32 Mech Engineer regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 12th Mech Brigade HQ / 3rd Infantry division-assigned to CDF UK The Light Dragoons Armoured Cavalry battalion UK The Kings Royal Hussars Armoured battalion UK 3 Yorkshire Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 1 Royal Anglian Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 2 Pricess of Wales Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) UK 19 Royal Field Artillery reginent (battalion sized unit) UK 26th Mech Engineer regiment (battalion sized unit) From Turkey NATO Intervention Force (Army HQ) Belgium 1st Parachute battalion / IRC regiment Czech 43 Airborne battalion / 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade Spain 3 "Valencia" Special Forces battalion Netherlands Korps Commandotroepen Special Forces battalion Italy 185 RAO Folgore Special Operations regiment / Folgore brigade (battalion size unit) Polish 2 Recon regiment / Special Operations Forces (battalion size unit) Canada Canadian Special Operations Regiment (battalion size unit) Romanian 1 "Eagles" Special Operations battalion Portugal A and B companies / Commandos battalion / Rapid Reaction brigade NATO EuroCorps (Corps HQ) Assigned to NATO Intervention Force US 2/505 Airborne battalion / 82nd Airborne Division. (includes Task Force Panther) US 1/321 Field Artillery battalion / 18 Fires brigade -155mm towed France 1 Rocket Artillery regiment -M270 MLRS (battalion sized unit) Germany 26 Attack Helicopter regiment (battalion sized unit) Bo 105 PAH Germany Kommando Spezialkräfte battallion US Elements -Special Forces France 1 Parachute-Marine Special Forces regiment (battalion size unit) US 2nd Mech brigade (heavy) / 1st Infantry Division (Includes Task Forces Narwick and Lightning)-assigned to EuroCorps Elbeyi Area -Initial Objective Aleppo US 1/77 Mech (heavy) battalion (actual designation 1/77 armor) US 1/18 Mech (heavy) battalion US 1/26 Mech (heavy) battalion US 1/7 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled US 9 Mech Engineer battalion Germany 10th Panzer Div HQ-assigned to EuroCorps -Kilis Area -Initial Objective Aleppo Germany 313 Fallschirmjaeger battalion / 31st Fallschirmjaeger brigade / Special Operations Division-assigned to 10th Panzer Germany 12th Panzer Brigade HQ / 10th Panzer Division Germany 104 Panzer battalion Germany 112 Panzergrenadier battalion Germany 122 Panzergrenadier battalion Germany 8 Armored Recon battalion Germany 325 Field Artillery battalion-155mm self propelled / 1st Panzer division- assigned to 10th Panzer Germany 4 Armored Engineer battalion Germany 23rd Gebirgsjaeger Brigade HQ / 10th Panzer Division Germany 231 Gebirgsjaeger battalion Germany 232 Gebirgsjaeger battalion Germany 233 Gebirgsjaeger battalion Germany 230 Gebirgs Recon battalion Germany 215 Field Artillery battalion-155mm self propelled / 1st Panzer Division -assigned to 10th Panzer Germany 8 Gebirgs Engineer battalion France Etat-Major de Force 2 Division HQ-assigned to EuroCorps -Antioch Area- Initial Objectives Aleppo and Hamah France A Squadron / 5th Combat Helicopter regiment (company size unit) -Eurocopter Tiger France 43 Infantry regiment / Rapid Reaction Corps (battalion size unit) France 6th Armored Cavalry Brigade HQ -assigned to EMF2 Division France 1 Foreign Legion Armored Cavalry regiment (battalion sized unit) France 2 Foreign Legion Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) France 21 Marine Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) France 3 Marine Field Artillery battalion -155mm towed/120 mm mortars France 1 Foreign Legion Engineer regiment (battalion sized unit) France 2nd Armored Brigade HQ -assigned to EMF2 Division France 12 Cuirassiers Armored regiment (battalion sized unit) France 501 de Chars Armored regiment (battalion sized unit) France Marche du Tchad Mech Infantry regiment (battalion sized unit) France 16 de Chasseurs Mech Infantry battalion France 40 Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled France 13 Armored Engineer regiment (battalion sized unit) France 12 Armored Recon Squadron (company sized unit) France/Germany Franco-German Brigade HQ-assigned to EuroCorps -Nizip Area -Initial Objective Ar Raqqah France 3 Hussars Armored regiment (battalion sized unit) Germany 292 Light Mech Infantry battalion France 110 Mech Infantry battalion regiment (battalion sized unit) Germany 295 Field artillery battalion -155mm self propelled Germany 550 Armored Engineer company Belguim 1st Mech Brigade HQ -assigned to EuroCorps -EuroCorps Reserve Belguim 2/4 Lansiers Light Armour battalion Belguim 1 Jagers te Paard/Gidsen Armoured Recon battalion Belguim Caribiniers/Grenadiers Mech Infantry battalion Belguim Bevrijding -5 Linie Mech Infantry battalion Belguim 2 Field artillery regiment (battalion sized unit) -105mm towed NATO Combined Division HQ-assigned to NATO Intervention Force Italy 183 "Nembo" Airborne regiment / Folgore brigade (battalion size unit) Denmark Recon battalion / 1st brigade / Danish division Netherlands 13th Mech Brigade HQ -assigned to NATO Combined Division -Harran Area - Initial Objective Ar Raqqah Netherlands 11 "Huzaren Van Sytzama" Armored battalion Netherlands 17 "Fuseliers Prinses Irene" Guards Mech Infantry battalion Netherlands 42 "Limburgse Jagers" Mech Infantry battalion Netherlands 42 "Huzaren van Boreel" Armored Recon company Netherlands 11 "Rijdene" Field Artillery battalion -155mm self propelled Netherlands 41 Engineer battalion Netherlands 301 Attack Helicopter Squadron (company sized unit) -AH-64 Apache Italy Ariete Armored Brigade HQ-assigned to NATO Combined Division -Suruc Area -Initial Objective Ar Raqqah Italy 4 Mech regiment (battalion size unit - actual designation 4 Tank regiment) Italy 32 Mech regiment (battalion size unit - actual designation 32 Tank regiment) Italy 132 Mech regiment (battalion size unit - actual designation 132 Tank regiment) Italy 11 Bersaglieri Mech regiment (battalion size unit) Italy 132 Mech Field Artillery regiment (battalion size unit) -155mm self propelled Italy Attack Helicopter Squadron (company sized unit)-Agusta A129 Mangusta Canada 1st Mech Brigade HQ-assigned to NATO Combined division -Ceylanpinar Area - Initial Objective Al Hasakah Canada "Lord Strathcona's Horse" Armored battalion Canada 1 / "Princess Patricia's Light Infantry" Mech battalion Canada 2 / "Princess Patricia's Light Infantry" Mech battalion Canada 3 / "Princess Patricia's Light Infantry" Infantry battalion Canada 1 "Royal Canadian Horse Artillery" Field Artillery battalion 105mm/155mm towed Canada 1 Mech Engineer regiment (battalion size unit) Spain RDC Brigade HQ-assigned to NATO Combined Division - Nusaybin Area - Initial Objective Al Hasakah Spain 2 "Almansa" Mech battalion / 10 Mech regiment / 10th Mech brigade -assigned to RDC brigade Spain 1 "Toledo" Airborne battalion / 3 Airborne Light Infantry regiment / 7th Airborne Light Infantry brigade -assigned to RDC brigade Portugal A company / 1 Parachute battalion / Rapid Reaction brigade -assigned to Spanish RDC Brigade Syrian Coast NATO Marine Division (Division HQ) Initial Objectives Hamah and Hims US 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit (battalion + sized unit) US 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (battalion + sized unit) US Marine and Navy Special Operations Elements NATO European Marine Brigade HQ -assigned to NATO Marine Division UK 40 Commando Royal Marines (battalion sized unit) Greece 521 Marine battalion / 32nd Marines brigade / 1st Infantry Division Spain 1 Landing battalion / Marine Infantry brigade US 2nd Marine Regiment HQ /2nd Marine Division -assigned to NATO Marine Division US 1/2 Marine battalion US 2/2 Marine battalion US 3/2 Marine battalion US 3/9 Marine battalion US A and B company 2 Marine Tank battalion US A company 2 Marine Light Armored Recon battalion US B company 2 Marine Recon battalion US B and C company 2 Marine Engineers battalion US 1/10 Marine Field Artillery battalion-155mm towed

Hi, A few folks were asking for this. I have the 2004 annual "Military Balance" periodical by the Institute of Strategic Study. It lists the Syrian Armed Forces as consisting of the following in 2004: Army c. 280,000 3 Corps HQ 7 Armored divisions (3 armored, 1 mech brigade, 1 artillery regiment each). 3 Mech divisions (2 armored, 2 mech brigades, 1 artillery regiment each). 1 Republican Guard division, ( 3 armored, 1 mech brigade, 1 artillery regiment). 1 Special Forces division (3 SF regiments.) 4 independent infantry brigades. 1 Border Guard brigade. 2 independent artillery brigades. 2 independent anti-tank brigades. 10 independent Special Forces regiments. 3 surface to surface to service missile brigades each of 3 battalions. 1 coastal surface to surface missile brigade. Reserves 1 Armored division HQ 4 Armored brigades. 2 Armored regiments. 31 infantry regiments. 3 artillery regiments. Navy c. 4000 2 Petya III class fast frigates. 18 patrol and coastal craft. Air Force c. 40,000 Fighter/Ground Attack 5 Sqds with 50 Su-22s 2 Sqds with 60 MiG 23s 2 Sqds with 20 Su-24s Fighter 8 Sqds with 160 MiG 21 5 Sqds with 60 MiG 23 2 Sqds with 30 MiG 25 1 Sqd with 42 MiG 29 8 Su 27 reported Recce Aircraft 5 MiG 25 40 MiG 21 Attack Helicopter 36 Mi 25 and SA 342 L Air Defense Command c. 60,000 2 AD divisions, 25 AD brigades with c. 150 SAM batteries, 23mm, 130 mm. c. 472 SA-2/-3 , 100 SA-6, and 4000 AD artillery pieces. 2 SAM regiments with c. 48 SA-5. Actually the map that came with the physical copies of Shock Force reflects the OOB above pretty well. I have more detail but it's mostly derived from research forum member SDP compiled for the meta campaign he was going to run back in 2010. He came up with a quite detailed Order of Battle which I discovered I still have on my harddrive. Some of it is fictional but he identifies what's fictional and what's not in his document. If you are interested in the document, I don't think he would mind me sharing it. Just send me a pm. SDP if you are still around and would rather I not share your OOB please let me know.

Best to leave this thread to just chug off slowly to the sunset....

Hi, sorry, I've been tied up the past couple of weekends. I'll see if I can dig it up this coming weekend. Thanks for your interest.

I can only add that late projects with huge cost overruns are not unique to Germany as evidenced by our Bullet Train project here in California. It has recently been scaled back thankfully, in my opinion, to something that may work. I am not an engineer but I never understood the practicality of building a bullet train route over a major mountain range. On the other hand in California we know how to build to withstand earthquakes as a major quake causes many fewer deaths than a smaller one does in Italy. Perhaps that's unfair as Italy has many more older buildings but it seems newer buildings are failing in earthquakes there as well. Sorry if this is getting way off topic.

@MORD. Where did you get the "chocolate chip" camo skins?

I guess I haven't looked at the Germans yet in CMSF 2 . They didn't have those patches in the original game. I am trying to identify what the Unit patch is. Anyone know? My understanding is the modern Heer uses "mission badges". If that's true this one may be fictional, yet I have strong doubts that's the case.

I don't recognize the uniform and badge of the fellow shooting the M4.

It's likely it's just awaiting its turn to be uploaded in CMMODS IV.

Awesome. Is that your mod?

I also seem to recall an elaboration on the explanation years ago that the round count wasn't the number of rounds the artillery battery had in hand but rather the amount of "tube time" allocated to your unit from a higher headquarters for the duration of your mission.

Looks good to me! I was referring to this thread:

Does that mean the Syrian Special Forces are considered part of the Republican guard then? IIRC there was an entire Republican Guard division plus separate Special Forces units.

Mark, not that you need more to do, but in an earlier thread some one asked for Woodland DPM shirts with Desert DPM pants, and provided some photos of troops dressed that way. Just thought I'd bring it up. Thanks for all your work. I'm working on putting patches on the stock game British uniforms myself right now.

They look really good to me. Is the red stripe on the epaulette unique to Special Forces? Also do you or any one have a bigger picture of the badge on the shoulder? Finally what is the big circle on some of the helmets about?

Parallel dimension where Elvis and Jim Morrison are still alive too. The bad thing is there are still a few posters that haven't been banned yet so I prefer to come here.

I was killed by an A-10 in a Reforger exercise many years ago.

Yeah the bottom 3 shots appear to be a desert pattern but one different then the stock uniforms.

Out of curiosity what is the stock game British camo pattern called?

Hello, There is a mod for use with a Spanish Blue Division Mod package that consisted of six different downloads. There is still a link to them in the CMX 1 CMMODS area but it appears the files are corrupted. Does any one happen to have the voice files? Thanks

Alright, I will dig it up and post when I can. I have this pipedream of making a virtual boardgame Vassal module http://www.vassalengine.org/ which I have experience in using of the fictional war at brigade/battalion level . Once upon a time someone was going to run a online campaign of the war with various players in command of units on both sides and battles decided by using CMX1 but it became problematic and the project was dropped. I did obtain (with permission) a graphic file of the map that was to be used for the campaign that would be ideal for a Vassal module.

There is a link of the second page of the Multicam 3rd infantry thread. The thread it links to has two orders of battle. The second one is more detailed. I also have what I think is a rather complete Syrian order of battle for 2008 on paper (before the civil war of course). I can post it if there is interest.