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Initial situation This AAR is being played using the Quick Battle system from the v4 engine in the new version of Shock Force. We are playing a Red probe with Bil taking the Syrians vs Canadians

Minute 155: Orders No new orders are being given. I thought that it would be interesting to see the information flow so the following are some screen shots to show that. Starting with the sc

Breaking away for a moment from the "Canadians who made it onto US cultural radar" banter, is this map new or a reboot (with water) of a CMSF1 map? Either (pronounced "eye-ther") way, a litt

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5 hours ago, IanL said:

METT-T: Troops

 

As described in the earlier post this is a combined arms force created by paring back the Independent Battle Group from the force selection screen. The force is company sized, two platoons of infantry and one of tank troop plus some elements from the battle group support company, a section of Anti Armour, a batter of 81mm mortars and a sniper team.

 

Order of battle

 

D Company: Capt. Leslie

 

LAV Captain Team: Lt. Duncan (2IC)

 

FO Tea: Lt Finnegan

 

Also Attached to D Company from the battle group support Company:

 

Mortar Platoon HQ: Lt McKibbin (with four tubes of 81mm mortars)

 

Sniper Team: MCpl Morrison

 

One Section Anti Armour LAV: Lt. Golfrey

 

14 Platoon (Mech Infantry with no LAVs): Lt. Corhill

 

1 Section: Sgt Greentree

 

2 Section: Sgt Bellemere

 

3 Section: Sgt Augustine

 

4 Section (weapons): Sgt Calder

 

15 Platoon (Mech Infantry LAVs): Lt. Jackson

 

1 Section: Sgt Pension

 

2 Section: Sgt Forbes

 

3 Section: Sgt Wright

 

4 Section (weapons): Sgt Merritt

 

18 Troop (Four C2 Lepards): Lt Bermier

 

1 Tank: Sgt Aurthor

 

2 Tank: Sgt Laurin

 

3 Tank: Sgt Gagon

 

 

 

HQ and support elements

 

 

 

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14 Platoon

 

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15 Platoon

 

 

 

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18 Troop

 

 

 

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METT-T: Time

 

That battle is 2 hours long. I am sure we will end the battle before that due to casualties.

 

 

 

Great, thanks! :)

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The main improvement to look forward to in CMSF2 is bringing the engine up to the other CM2 titles' version.   The mods that are available for CMSF1 can make that game look very similar to the improved graphics of CMSF2 (eg the vehicle shown above).  

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1 hour ago, c3k said:

Did someone cut the crust off your sandwich for you?  ;)

Nobody is cutting any crusts of anything. :)

1 hour ago, c3k said:

It's time enough: your men are begging to be unleashed. They need to attack something, somewhere!

You know I'm defending right. Yes, that is a setup for you. :D

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47 minutes ago, IanL said:

You know I'm defending right. Yes, that is a setup for you. :D

That's where you're wrong.  You know what they say - the best defence is a good offence!  Think about it - Bil is expecting you to sit there and take it.  Quick, decisive action is the key to victory! B)

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28 minutes ago, HerrTom said:

That's where you're wrong.  You know what they say - the best defence is a good offence!  Think about it - Bil is expecting you to sit there and take it.  Quick, decisive action is the key to victory! B)

Nice you beat Ken to the setup. All he is left with now is lame sandwich crust jokes ;)

 

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I updated my earlier post to include fire support elements.

20 hours ago, IanL said:

Fire support

1 battery (4 tubes) of 81mm mortars off map from the battle group

1 battery (2x2 guns) of 105mm guns

 

 

20 hours ago, IanL said:

Fire Support

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19 hours ago, IanL said:

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I also updated this image to include TRP 1 - 3

And I forgot to actually place troops from 14 platoon on KT8. I'll move them up there next turn.

Yes, that is correct the turn is away and this is now under way...

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While we wait for the actual shooting to start here are a few screen shots from the setup:

14 Platoon in position on Objective Lifeson

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15 Platoon positioned on Peart

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Section of 15 Platoon and a section of 18 Troop move into over watch at KT3

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The view from the command post on Lee

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Sniper team at the farm at Rutsey

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53 minutes ago, c3k said:

Movement into overwatch: I see crossed FAST move orders. Did you give one or the other of those two vehicles a delay?

I did to the tank. I could have cancelled move orders and moved the tank over and re did them (that would have been the correct thing to do). But they are all out of view anyway so I didn't bother.

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Minute 2:00-1:59:

Capt. Leslie and his party were done with introductions and some practical discussion. They had just started on their second cup of chai and were planning to spend a few pleasant minutes on friendly chatting when the HQ sent for him and his 2IC – “Battalion command reports an enemy formation has been spotted approaching from the East”. They excused themselves from the chai and headed back to the command post to hear the details and alert the rest of the company. As they headed out the door Capt. Leslie noticed that one of the younger men who had not said anything during the meeting held back the translator, MCpl Haddad from 14 Platoon, briefly to whisper something to him.

“What was that about?” He asked.

MCpl Haddad smiled wryly as he replied “He said that if Assad’s men are coming he wishes us to kill as many as we can, so, there will be fewer for him to finish off - Inshallah”.

Capt. Leslie thought darkly to himself “Well that *is* the plan. My men do not need help from God to kill the enemy.”  It seems like this was going to be an eventful day after all.

The first turn of action was uneventful. No contacts were spotted. My team on KT3 moved up and the infantry deployed.

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Minute 1:59: Orders

I corrected my mistake and moved a squad up to TK8. To avoid tiring the men out, I moved 3 section up to take 2 section’s positions and moved 2 section up to TK8.

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Nice screen shots. Something tells me though that the MG team on the roof isn't going to live too long if he stays there. Not much cover there on those low wall roofs from what I remember from CMSF. What is you intent with him Ian? Those roof types were death traps from recollection. The higher wall type weren't too bad though from what I recall.

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5 hours ago, Vinnart said:

What is you intent with him Ian? Those roof types were death traps from recollection. The higher wall type weren't too bad though from what I recall.

Yes, I agree not a good permanent place. They are really far back from the non action so just there for a better view. I'll get them downstairs before anyone gets close.

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12 hours ago, IanL said:

Minute 2:00-1:59:

 

Capt. Leslie and his party were done with introductions and some practical discussion. They had just started on their second cup of chai and were planning to spend a few pleasant minutes on friendly chatting when the HQ sent for him and his 2IC – “Battalion command reports an enemy formation has been spotted approaching from the East”. They excused themselves from the chai and headed back to the command post to hear the details and alert the rest of the company. As they headed out the door Capt. Leslie noticed that one of the younger men who had not said anything during the meeting held back the translator, MCpl Haddad from 14 Platoon, briefly to whisper something to him.

 

“What was that about?” He asked.

 

MCpl Haddad smiled wryly as he replied “He said that if Assad’s men are coming he wishes us to kill as many as we can, so, there will be fewer for him to finish off - Inshallah”.

 

Capt. Leslie thought darkly to himself “Well that *is* the plan. My men do not need help from God to kill the enemy.”  It seems like this was going to be an eventful day after all.

 

The first turn of action was uneventful. No contacts were spotted. My team on KT3 moved up and the infantry deployed.

 

 

 

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Minute 1:59: Orders

 

I corrected my mistake and moved a squad up to TK8. To avoid tiring the men out, I moved 3 section up to take 2 section’s positions and moved 2 section up to TK8.

 

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quick questions about the game if you have the time to answer!

do the LAT models show up on the back of the soldier now? (AT4 M72 LAW etc)

does night vision also appear on the unit model?

also shouldnt that C9 have a C79 scope? 

Thanks!

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8 hours ago, dasitmane said:

quick questions about the game if you have the time to answer!

do the LAT models show up on the back of the soldier now? (AT4 M72 LAW etc)

I am not seeing the disposable M72 LAW on my troops but the larger re-loadable launchers are there. I'll check what the intent is.

 

8 hours ago, dasitmane said:

does night vision also appear on the unit model?

Yes. At night units equipped with night vision will wear them.

 

8 hours ago, dasitmane said:

also shouldnt that C9 have a C79 scope?

That I do not know about. This is set in 2008 - were they in use on C9s at that time. I see from the Wikipedia page for the C79 that the were designed to fit on the C9. I could not confirm their use in the field though. Does anyone know about that?

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Minute 1:59-1:58:

Things started to happen. The sniper team at Rutsey acquired a couple of sound contacts near the road. Looks likely to be a tank and an IFV.

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Right at the end of the turn the sniper spotted an ATGM team. As the turn ended he was taking a bead for a head shot. First blood could be mine. In the shot below look carefully in the right hand side of the upper pane of the window.

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A wider shot of the sniper aiming.

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The infantry at KT3 also can hear armoured vehicles in the valley below.

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Infantry moving to KT8.

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One of them carrying a SRAAW.

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Minute 158: Orders

No new orders repositioning members of 14 platoon.

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The squad from 15 Platoon on KT3 need to spread out more. I split the teams and have them crawling forward .

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To ambush whatever is coming up the valley I will move one of the C2s to a position where they can be hull down to the valley floor a head of where the contacts are. I want the enemy to move into our LOF not the other way around.

This shows a good example of how I use the hull down command. I laid down some basic move orders to get close to the location I want to be. Then I switched to the hull down command and picked a spot where I would be OK with ending up. From there I use the target command on the hull down command’s way point to pick the area I want to be hull down to. In this case it is the valley floor. The hull down way point location has hillside rising up to the left, so the location where the enemy is now does not have LOS to my new location.

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I also verify that that previous way point does *not* have LOS to the location I want to be hull down to. This is so the hull down command can work its magic – when the vehicle starts the hull down command it cannot see the location of interest and as vehicle moves along the hull down route it will watch for when I can see the location of interest and stop when it can.

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I was in the military at that time (well, until last month actually!) and we absolutely had C79s on our C9s.

Maybe Reserve Units didn't (set eq. to Poor maybe?) but we sure did even in the Artillery.

Also, can so-sign on LAV commanders being lower down, additionally the MG on the LAV and Coyote was not remote operated.

We carried as many LAWs as possible as it was the only way to bust up what we called "Grape Huts" which were thick mud brick agricultural buildings.

I'm happy to answer as many CF related questions as I can as one of the things I liked best about CMSF was seeing "myself" represented in a major wargame.

 

e: The C9s we had in Afghanistan were the improved C9A2 which has the same buttstock as the C7 and comes issued with the C79 and has green furniture like the C7A2.
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