Gryphonne Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I don't know whether this has been considered yet, but... Firstly, while seeing the random equipment on vehicles and tanks I realised two things. Seemingly, not all equipment is shared between all vehicles, and the equipment has set positions on the vehicles. Therefore I was wondering whether it would be possible to have foliage on vehicles like the StuG? There's plenty of photos with tank camouflaged with foliage; ranging from the sparsely covered StuG: To the driving brush of doom : Considering how beautiful the foliage in CMBN actually is, it seems you guys are well within the capacity to make this convincingly good. Of course, some form of rarity could be applied to this as I don't know how frequent this practice was. And secondly, a small question, there are plenty of screenshots of vehicles with Skirts, and some vehicles that miss skirts. These skirts do provide protection against HEAT projectiles right? Even though, they're randomised? Also, can these skirts be blown away like the ERA blocks in CMSF? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 In theory we could add foliage like that, but it chews up a ton of polygons and that's generally not a good thing. Skirts do add protection where they are and do not offer protection where they are not. They can't be knocked off like ERA blocks because, well, there's not much call for that. Generally rounds go straight through the skirts. If they are powerful enough to knock the skirt off they probably would take out the vehicle as well, so there's not much chance of this mattering much. The problem we have is that when an ERA block is hit it explodes and disappears. Literally. But with skirt armor, if it was knocked off by something we'd have to animate it falling off or people would likely gripe. Best to leave it as it is. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphonne Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 Thanks for the replies Steve Can't wait for the actual game, it was fantastic to see in motion during the preview! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambronne Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Steve,I take it you have finished the work on CMBN since you have enough spare time to answer every topic on the forum.If not,get back to work since my money are just burning in my wallet. :-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finalcut Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 This reminds me of a funny story.I was an FO in the Army(13 Foxtrot)back in the early 90's.We had an M981 FISTV we called "The Frog".For anyone that doesn't know or is not familiar with it,The 981 is basically an M113 with a "hammer head".It looks similar to a TOW variant only the hammerhead houses a Laser designator. Anyway,the point of this story is,One time we were having fun putting foliage on the Frog and we got so carried away that we had about 10 whole trees worth of foliage on the vehicle.We went to the field kitchen for chow,and when we came back we couldn't find the Frog for like an hour due to all the heavy brush we were in and all the foliage we put on it. The Lt. came buy and was wondering why we were all walking in circles thru the brush when he told us over an hour earlier to drive the Frog up to a certain Grid coordinate.He was not happy when we told him we hid it too well and could't find it.Ahh,good times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wengart Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 There is also the issue of player expectation, most would naturally assume a tree covered Stug would get some sort of concealment bonus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 In theory we could add foliage like that, but it chews up a ton of polygons and that's generally not a good thing. Dude! you just broke the heart of every WWII diorama modeler, and I hear the revered ashes of Yoshio Tamiya turning in the family shrine! We don't care if there's an in-game concealment effect and we promise to quash the whiners if it just falls off (vanishes) when the vehicle moves. It just looks right, especially for a SPG in a static position. DO NOT underestimate the power of that immersion thing in selling this game! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFightingSeabee Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 In theory we could add foliage like that, but it chews up a ton of polygons and that's generally not a good thing. Steve I would like to at least test it out. If it makes my 25fps go down to 24fps, then I'd rather have the foliage camo. It would look really freakin' cool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I'm sure there will be skin mods with foliage not too long after release. But admit it won't look nearly as kool as 3D doodads on the actual tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Final cut... that's classic Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 This StuG looks like it hasn't shaved in a while: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 This reminds me of a funny story.I was an FO in the Army(13 Foxtrot)back in the early 90's.We had an M981 FISTV we called "The Frog".For anyone that doesn't know or is not familiar with it,The 981 is basically an M113 with a "hammer head".It looks similar to a TOW variant only the hammerhead houses a Laser designator. Anyway,the point of this story is,One time we were having fun putting foliage on the Frog and we got so carried away that we had about 10 whole trees worth of foliage on the vehicle.We went to the field kitchen for chow,and when we came back we couldn't find the Frog for like an hour due to all the heavy brush we were in and all the foliage we put on it. The Lt. came buy and was wondering why we were all walking in circles thru the brush when he told us over an hour earlier to drive the Frog up to a certain Grid coordinate.He was not happy when we told him we hid it too well and could't find it.Ahh,good times. Well, you said to camo it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umlaut Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The Lt. came buy and was wondering why we were all walking in circles thru the brush when he told us over an hour earlier to drive the Frog up to a certain Grid coordinate.He was not happy when we told him we hid it too well and could't find it. Why didn´t you just double click your Lt. and then look for the pulsating green base under your vehicle? ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 lol nice one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 He was not happy when we told him we hid it too well and could't find it. Ever have trouble remembering where you put your glasses these days? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPB II Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 A similar situation happened over here in Finland only it was winter and it was a Pasi wheeled APC covered by a camo net that got snowed over. Hell, a lot of stuff gets lost when it snows. A grunt in another squad found the crapping hole that the pioneers occupying the positions had used. The CV90 crews wouldn't let the poor smelly guy in so he had to walk some 6 clicks to the base for a shower. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The AFV needs to have a ringer in it like a phone, so you can call... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Why not use the remote door lock on your keychain to get the "weep-weep" sound and flashing tail/head lights? Helps me find my car in the blinding rain Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuehlmaus Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Why not use the remote door lock on your keychain to get the "weep-weep" sound and flashing tail/head lights? Helps me find my car in the blinding rain Steve Is this feature in? Great, I love your sense of detail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFightingSeabee Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Even if some of us had this, we'd end up losing it! I'd need a keyringer for my keyringer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 A similar situation happened over here in Finland only it was winter and it was a Pasi wheeled APC covered by a camo net that got snowed over. Hell, a lot of stuff gets lost when it snows. A grunt in another squad found the crapping hole that the pioneers occupying the positions had used. The CV90 crews wouldn't let the poor smelly guy in so he had to walk some 6 clicks to the base for a shower. Now that is BAD day. Complete with helpful comments from the whole squad I am sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Belenko Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Happened to me too in a parking lot outside of a bar. I went in at noon. I walked out (if you can call it walking) around closing, I couldn't find the car anywhere. I had to wait until there were less than 3 cars in the lot to find mine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Happened to me too in a parking lot outside of a bar. I went in at noon. I walked out (if you can call it walking) around closing, I couldn't find the car anywhere. I had to wait until there were less than 3 cars in the lot to find mine. I know the feeling, went downtown for Halloween a couple years ago and took over an hour to find my car. A clear sign one should not be driving when unable to find ones car. Though I did meet two girls who did the same thing. So we immediately had that connection of "Hey I'm a drunk dumbass too!". The rest is history! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I lost mine once in a college parking garage. Six floors worth of maze, and I had been so worked up about an exam that I didn't even begin to notice where I had parked. I WISH I could plead drunkenness. But, no, just stupidity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I know the feeling, went downtown for Halloween a couple years ago and took over an hour to find my car. Well, at least you had an hour to sober up a little. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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